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Black Girl With Long Hair
A Waco, Texas pastor is taking his dislike of weave straight to the pulpit. Pastor A. J. Aamir of the Resurrecting Faith church has admonished his female congregants not to get weaves. AmericanPreachers.com reports;
Pastor A.J. Aamir recently told his leadership staff at Resurrecting Faith, DO NOT wear weaves. Pastor Aamir feels women wearing weaves presents a false image of themselves and are associated with women who have low self-esteem.
“Our black women are getting weaves trying to be something and someone they are not. Be real with yourself is all I’m saying” said Pastor Aamir.
Pastor Aamir admits he was raised in a strict household. His mother and father are members of the Islamic faith. At 39 years old, he leads a congregation whose average age is 22.
“Long hair don’t care. What kind of mess is that? I don’t want my members so focused on what’s on their heads and not IN their heads” he told AmericaPreachers.com.
“I lead a church where our members are struggling financially. I mean really struggling. “Yet, a 26 year old mother in my church has a $300 weave on her head. NO. I will not be quiet about this.”
Pastor Aamir acknowledges he cannot legally prohibit women from wearing weaves in church, but he still highly disapproves it.
Resurrecting Faith was founded by Pastor Aamir and is located in Waco, Texas.
The church itself doesn’t have any social media presence, so onlookers have taken to the article’s comments section with their reactions.
One commenter wrote;
He’s making a powerful statement about the importance of learning to love yourself in the image that God made you. African American women are giving away their power, belittling themselves and making a statement that our natural hair is inferior to the hair of Europeans. Our natural hair is actually beautiful. Can we just give it a chance or do we have to live our entire lives as brainwashed sheep? I applaud this pastor!
Others expressed disgust
What kind of foolishness is this, what does that have to do with living righteous or holy. What does a “real” image look like?
a cult in the making is what it is…God never told us to micro manage people
Ladies, what are your thoughts?
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the point the pastor was trying to make was not about religion or faith in God. He was just gusted at how women who have family and cant support them financially rather use their money to buy expensive weaves at the expense of their families. He wasnt reffering to money for his church projects
And u chose bglh to strongly voice how u feel about Jesus! Please spare us ur non sense, there is plenty of religious site for this. Imo i don’t have any problems with weaves as long as it ressembles a black woman’s hair. Straight silky blonde weaves are a complete no no
I think it’s good to discuss this issue in black churches. How else will we reach out people about the issues we deal with? I don’t spend 300 on my hair all year, so that’s an astronomical amount for one hair style. I’d rather feed my kids or keep the lights on than waste money on hair that’s not even really mine.
The church should be the last place to discuss these issues,when you start bringing personal issues into the church,its another issues of tension caused to create tension because some women will take offense,its not the pastors place,his place is to focus on Godly issues..weave is not one of them.
disagree. Church us about the whole person. ..the fact is the pressures of life effect us in different ways. what would be the point in going to church and feeling holy but depressed. its about the whole person and helping them to improve in every aspect of their life to be better, happier and healthy people. Holy and depressed is not a good look!
I’d be depressed if I had no money
Well apparently in this church it became an issue. Church is about looking it for one another too. How many people ask their church to help pay their bills and for food? So why not teach sound advice and basic budgeting skills.
In John 3:1 Jesus says that; a man has to be born again to see the kingdom of God. It means that a kingdom that is superior to the one we know is coming. To see that kingdom a man must first repent of their sins. Jesus is pure and did not sin. All other men have sinned and would not be accepted in the kindom of God that is to come unless they come under the lordship of Jesus Christ. This means to reject the way that you have lived your life in rebellion to the word of God- given to us in the Bible. Follow the gospel that Jesus has taught us. Accept that you are a sinner and apologize to God and call onto Jesus to be your Lord and saviour. Their is a penalty for sin, the bible say that the wages of sin is death but there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The Bible says that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus died on the cross for you, you will be saved. The Bible is the single most important book. every other book ends when you die but the Bible continues. It is beyond this existence that the Bible’s reality becomes shocking to many. All the rejected information suddenly show up as the truth. Don’t get caught in disbelief Jesus will save you as he said. He laid his life down that we may have life. A wise man will jump to it. It is a free gift that you would not orderwise had been able to afford. Your sins would stop you dead on the spot if you tried to enter the kingdom of God any other way than through Jesus. Don’t let satan the unseen evil spirit tempt you into uttering bad words against Jesus Christ the son of God please, read the book of Mathew chapter 12:36. It says, that, all men shall give account of every idle word they speak. Jesus is here to save you but satan wants to destroy you. Choose to live your life with Jesus it is eternal. He will give you Eternal life and you will have his true hapiness and love with no hurt, pain or any form of suffering. If you are in Christ, you are sure of a lovely future. Glory be to God in Jesus name Amen.
John 3:1 who was this guy? Do you even know? OR are you just reciting bs? None of these people actually could speak for a demi-God. How could they? I didn’t realize “JOHN” was a Middle Eastern/Asian name? Interesting.”John” sounds like an English name to me.
In John 3:1 Jesus says that; a man has to be born again to see the kingdom of God. It means that a kingdom that is superior to the one we know is coming. To see that kingdom a man must first repent of their sins. Jesus is pure and did not sin. All other men have sinned and would not be accepted in the kindom of God that is to come unless they come under the lordship of Jesus Christ. This means to reject the way that you have lived your life in rebellion to the word of God- given to us in the Bible. Follow the gospel that Jesus has taught us. Accept that you are a sinner and apologize to God and call onto Jesus to be your Lord and saviuor. Their is a penalty for sin, the bible say that the wages of sin is death but there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The Bible says that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus died on the cross for you, you will be saved. The Bible is the single most important book. every other book ends when you die but the Bible continues. It is beyond this existence that the Bible’s reality becomes shocking to many. All the rejected information suddenly show up as the truth. Don’t get caught in disbelief Jesus will save you as he said. He laid his life down that we may have life. A wise man will jump to it. It is a free gift that you would not orderwise had been able to afford. Your sins would stop you dead on the spot if you tried to enter the kingdom of God any other way than through Jesus. Don’t let satan the unseen evil spirit tempt you into uttering bad words against Jesus Christ the son of God please, read the book of Mathew chapter 12:36. It says, that, all men shall give account of every idle word they speak. Jesus is here to save you but satan wants to destroy you. Choose to live your life with Jesus it is eternal. He will give you Eternal life and you will have his true hapiness and love with no hurt, pain or any form of suffering. If you are in Christ, you are sure of a lovely future. Glory be to God in Jesus name Amen.
Beautifully said.
How truly inspiring.
Well I guess I won’t be getting into the Jesus country club in heaven. I hear there are great condos up there? Don’t you know that Jesus already visited earth? Didn’t you see the 6 oclock news? yeah, he’s a hot looking big nose JEWISH guy with short kinky/curly hair, and he wants to join the black natural hair movement.
Hey also learn what a Ha-satan is, and read the evolution of the DEVIL aka Satan. lol you’ll get a kick out of it. You will learn that it is actually impossible for a sentient creature like Satan to have ever existed. Dummy.
Figures you sound like an uninformed child. The church doesn’t want people to grow up out of this way of thinking because growing up means you can’t be controlled. Children can be controlled and so you need to stop thinking like a child and realize you religious robots are losing the battle. Cannot believe how dumb some people are?
Hair weaves are of Devil and not of God. NAIL POLSHES, eye lashes Jewelry, necklace earrings makeup and etc ALL MAN MADE GOD DID NOT CREATE the devil uses all of those and etc to attack you.
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It is very very important not to put attachments and foreign hair (Weave) on ones body. A woman should have her natural hair; if she likes long hair then she should allow it to grow; but should not put the foreign hair, attachments, weaves, hair colouration etc. The body is the temple of The Holy Spirit; whoever put strange hair/weave on the temple of The LORD is grieving The Holy Spirit. Some of the weaves and the foreign hair and attachments are actually from demonic forces that use it to defile the body and spiritual condition of a person. To be on the safe side; have nothing to do with weaves, hair coloration, attachments etc. Just have your natural hair; if you want it to be plaited then that’s fine; if you want it to grow long, then that’s fine.
t is very very important not to put attachments and foreign hair (Weave) on ones body. A woman should have her natural hair; if she likes long hair then she should allow it to grow; but should not put the foreign hair, attachments, weaves, hair colouration etc. The body is the temple of The Holy Spirit; whoever put strange hair/weave on the temple of The LORD is grieving The Holy Spirit. Some of the weaves and the foreign hair and attachments are actually from demonic forces that use it to defile the body and spiritual condition of a person. To be on the safe side; have nothing to do with weaves, hair coloration, attachments etc. Just have your natural hair; if you want it to be plaited then that’s fine; if you want it to grow long, then that’s fine.
Well in that case we shouldn’t wear make-up then or no other unnatural products then.
Yes, JESUS IS LORD
You religious robots crack me up. I swear the first rule of being in the Jesus country club is that you can’t stop talking about Jesus. Telling someone about your false religion is self serving and only makes YOU feel good. It’s kind of like a fart. You feel good but no one else does.
Use guilt all you want on people, condemn others to hell fire for not loving a sociopath GOD. I swear I just think Black people get off on screaming Jesus and showing off their ignorance.. lol Jesus was supposedly a Jew who has no birth certificate or any other evidence for his existence. You know nothing about the ancient Jews so therefore you can’t claim to be Christian. Basically you are all false Christians and don’t know the first thing about Jewish ancient traditions. You just repeat what the preacher tells you to repeat.
As for wearing false things on your body then you must want this to be like the freaken Taliban and sharia laws? Next you will asking us to cover ourselves from head to toe? You folkds get more ridiculous by the moment! :/
Hair weaves are of Devil and not of God. NAIL POLSHES, eye lashes and etc the devil uses all of those and etc to attack you.
JESUS LOVES
Hair weaves are of Devil and not of God. NAIL POLSHES, eye lashes Jewelry, necklace earrings makeup and etc ALL MAN MADE GOD DID NOT CREATE the devil uses all of those and etc to attack you.
JESUS LOVES EVERYTHING BELONGS TO THE LORD!!!!!!! JESUS IS LORD GOD BLESS!!!!!! 🙂
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What the “GOOD Pastor” needs to do is focus less on weave wearing because I don’t know any black women who spends 300 dollars on a weave unless she is wealthy. Why doesn’t the good Pastor worry more about black men making up almost 80% of the prison systems which wastes our tax dollars feeding and clothing them to keep them in their prison apartments with free cable and lights? It costs the states 45000 dollars a year to keep black men in the prison systems which is taking up resources. Why not talk about black men who have multiple babies mommas and cheat on their wives instead of talking about black women who wear 26 dollar weaves plus tax fool?
No sir the REAL poison is the sociopathic black males that the Black community keeps turning out because of all these irresponsible black men in the prison. The good pastor needs to talk about the 1 in 10 black men getting arrested each day.
Weaves are the least of our problems and what you say is ridiculous since everyone is being poisoned just by the air we breath each day. When your born you start getting old breathing in toxins and all sorts of shit, so give us a break.
It’s just as bad when black men spend tons of money on their cars and rims and expensive jeans they can’t seem to keep on their butts, gold chains, gold teeth and the expensive nonsense that black men wear.
Doesn’t the good pastor know that some women in East India bleach their skin and t hat not all black women have to wear weave to have long hair in the first place. Other races of women want to look more westernized as well yet no one says anything in that Church? I mean why only pick on black women? If a woman wants to wear weave then mind your own BUSINESS. My weave is not your business and guess what black men also buy dumb crap they don’t need so pick on them for looking stupid in public wearing their pants off their ass. No one wants to smell butt crack thanks.
Ummmmmmm if you didnt know MANY women will spend up to $500 at times thats just hair alone …….you’d be surprised at how many broke women are walking around looking expensive
Why exactly should that matter to you?
Actually ladies this my response was more geared towards the harassment and disrespect many of us face in church, school, on the job, within our families and friend circles because we choose to wear our natural beautiful hair the way we choose. Going to church or believing or not believing in God was not the topic and just by looking at how nasty and disrespectful the comments have been I am glad the article that I responded to was NOT about believing or not in God …as no one will win this battle. I guess one of my continuing concerns is why we as women always get into name calling and nastiness towards one another? We seem to just forget we are all still WOMEN and AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN at that(I say this as this topic related to us and wearing our natural hair.) and the current western standards of beauty still reject us as a culture and race. For those of you who do not believe…OK!..I respect that and I won’t call you names or engage in insulting banter..it is your absolute right to believe as you want to believe. To those of you who do believe..OK!..I still won’t call you names, engage in insulting banter as it is your right as well to believe in what ever you want as well. I am not going to call anyone “out” for anything…what I will do is continue to fight for respectful decent treatment with respect to wearing my natural hair..as I have a right to do so and not be harassed for that choice. NATURAL HAIR ROCKS AND SO DO THE WOMEN WHO CHOOSE TO WEAR THEIR HAIR THEIR WAY!!!
Last but not least…Ladies, at the end of the day or discussion we should all be able to walk away with our heads intact, our voices heard, our positions clearly stated and our self image and esteem firm and in place.
Sigh… I respect what you said, it’s cute and all, makes us all warm and fuzzy on the inside, but do statements like yours really help the millions of black women who walk around feeling shame about their hair and looks? No it doesn’t. All this gives is a warm fuzzy feeling while ignoring how messed up we have become as a culture of sheep women who are willfully ignorant enough to ACTUALLY listen to these repetitious,self serving,black, male Charlatans? Why do we do this? If you want to get to the root of the problem about “hair” in the black community, figure out why “hair” is so important in the first place. Black women are generally obsessed with hair because we’ve been taught to be. We have been shamed for our texture, just like we were shamed for bringing our ancient religious traditions from Africa so long ago, You can forget, but I never will.
The “Natives” were also shamed for believing in multiple God heads and such. When we were brought here in the beginning, I mean, when we first arrived by “invite” to America we were forced fed Christianity as the true faith just like the Europeans were. We were brainwashed, so I wonder why do we still believe in male dominance that the BUYBULL teaches when Christianity has nothing to do with black people in America? It is not our culture or history. But it is all we have I suppose.
After all we were taught to cover our “naps” and “hard hair” while serving food to white people and we were taught to just pray to become closer to white people. We were taught to worship ANYTHING WHITE. Don’t believe me? Do some research. Black people need to stop with this religious nonsense, because you don’t know what will happen to you after you die, so quit pretending to know. I am suggesting that we as women stop giving men so much power to dictate what we wear, even if it is a weave. It’s far less healthy to go to Church and believe in a misogynist GOD head than to wear a weave. It’s not healthy for us as women to believe in such nonsense and to follow like sheep being willfully ignorant.
My position was very clear. I think black women need to stop believing in fairy tales and work on their mental health is all. Group think is not the answer and that won’t stop women from wearing false hair either. People will still wear the European hair outside of Church or wherever they please.
Black women need to stop listening to men who don’t mean them well.
You mean: It’s far less healthy to wear a weave than to go to Church and believe in a misogynist GOD.
I can’t believe some of you still don’t believe in Thor the thunder GOD??
JESUS IS THE GOD OF ALL GODS AND THE LORD OF ALL LORDS.
Funny I THOUGHT Jesus was GOD’s SON???
JESUS GOD HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE TRUE LIVING GOD THE LORD OF ALL LORDS AND THE KING OF ALL KINGS THE LAMB OF GOD AND THE LION OF JUDAH. JESUS GOD HOLY SPIRIT LIVES AND IS THE ONLY REAL GOD.
Yes and you can scream that OSIRIS was the ONE true”God” too dear, but you’d still be full of it. Oh and the myth you’ve been taught is bs. And so is the Holy Bible.Just like the TANAKH, The book of Mormon,KITAB-I-AQDAS, THE HOLY VEDAS,THE HOLY PIBY,THE HOLY QURAN,THE BOOK OF SHADOWS,DHAMMAPADA,L.RON HUBBARD,THE SATANIC BIBLE, and many other books of bull crap that you religious morons believe. Your Jesus was a myth that was fed to you by your capture’s duh everyone knows that. Most of us blacks have white ancestors and in the 15th,16th century and beyond, you would have been considered a heretic for not believing in the Catholic religion in some regions of Europe. If you only knew how many were burned, killed,heads chopped off in the name of religion you would maybe become more enlightened.Not to mention those that were accused and tortured just for believing a different version of the HOLY BIBLE.In deed you are not aware of the atrocities that occurred in the name of that evil fake GOD you worship. If threatening little kids to burn in hell if they don’t feed your sociopathic, evil, egomaniac “GOD” is ok with you then by all means carry on in your ignorance.
There is much truth in what you have said. I dont believe Jesus is God but instead a noble messenger of God that has been falsely given the the glory of being God. I am Muslim so you know where I stand. God wants us to think for ourselves but with a humble attitude. You dont have the power to turn the day into night nor do yourself know what will happen to you after your death. These questions must be directed to the power source that brought you into existence. My mother was was on the path to atheism because of her own instability to understand the plight of black people. She rejected the false image of”god” that I see so many black people still show reverence for. She found her true sense of value In her decision to become Muslim. This woman never relaxed her hair ever and has worn a short afro since I was born and at 62 still going strong. Secure In her Identity. I believe the Christian faith has a lot inconsistencies and false knowledge but Jesus was sent by the one true God. Its the people who came after him that distorted the truth and changed things. Jesus never said worship me, I am god. There will always be those who behave recklessly and In times savagely, “in the name of god” but those of us that know God can see when the devil has his hands in the mix. Religion has and will always contain those who wish to use It to control and manipulate others. Its our job to expose these people for what they are and stop them. You can laugh and belittle people who believe in God but it makes no difference to us. Water off a duck’s back. We are only here to share the message just like His Prophets. Our reward comes from Him alone. I do encourage you to keep an open mind on your journey through life. Continue to question but be humble enough to receive the answer.
It’s unfortunate that the majority of the replies that disagree with the pastors objective miss the point and in some ways oblivious to the harm that is being done to black women and black society on a pschological level by embracing this trend of ‘fake hair’. It can be put no simplier than this: What motivation would anyone have to misrepresent what they are naturally by wearing something such as hair that is not their true hairs texture, look, or length? It is no different than wearing a mask to make ones self more appealling because they are not satisfied that what they truly are is enough.
Unfortunately, the ridiculous standards of beauty that all women are held to in this country prevent me from embracing the Pastor’s statements. So many African-American women receive daily insults about their “natural” hair not only from women but from men as well. The work place for many African-American women is not natural hair friendly either. The church is another “natural unfriendly place” and as such women will be “talked about” because they choose to “go natural”. While the Pastor admonishes women against “weaves” he does not completely support the wearing of natural hair in the variety of ways women can wear their hair in this state. I wonder what he would have to say if a sister/church member arrives for church in a number of Bantu knots or a full volume afro in all of it’s glory..or a fro hawk spiked and in living colors. SO many people in churches I have attended have had complete gab feasts about the “brave women who have decided to walk their path and live their truth”..and there is nothing like someone walking up to you and insulting you with “Girl, when you gonna do something about your head” or “why didn’t you comb your hair before coming to church” The long and short of this is until the standards of beauty by which ALL women are judge by get knocked down then African-American women will continue to be harassed in the work place, in church, schools, etc…etc…So in my opinion what the Pastor had to say did not increase my awareness ..it highlighted how comfortable so many are in our society when Black women succumb to either the pressing comb or creamy crack..anything that will “straighten out that mess” is still what so many men and women would prefer to see on others…it’s not fair ..just real.
Hell with the weave wearing…I’m ridiculing these black women who go to church in the first place? Isn’t it equally just as stupid to abide by an ancient book which endorses slavery? These are black women worshipping zombie,poverty stricken 5’3 Middle Eastern Jew with a Puerto Rican name? (JESUS) These foolish women need to speak up against the way religion tries to control women. Religion itself is ten times more unhealthy than wearing a weave! Why are black people attending these churches when the bible endorses slavery and treats women like second class citizens? I have no idea why women are Christian when the GOD in that book pretty much hates you? No matter which way you twist the foolishness, you are not being true to yourself when you sit there in a church listening to a misogynistic charlatan who just wants to tell you what to do?
I can’t believe that some still choose to think their is no God,but he suddenly remains recognized when illness or another tragedy appears-
You know nothing about what Jesus looks like especially when western society has given us a false image.
If you read the Bible and stop presuming it based on your interpretation then you would see that many of the stories present was a way of life for them at that time and many of these people chose like you to believe false worship or more bizarrely their own beliefs.
First of all robot, It’s you who buys all that Westernized brainwashed, right winged nonsense simply because you do believe that Jesus is your savior. How good is a savior if he can’t even save himself from being nailed to a cross?
Second, I don’t worship anything because I live in the real world not in the pretend fantasy world you and your slave holders have created. Where do you get your information from?? You must get your information from other religious dolts? How do you know that non-believers “suddenly recognize a God when illness or tragedy strikes?? How do you know I haven’t been ill? This shows how naïve you are about non-believers. FYI I was very ill twice, had two blood transfusions and a blood infection, I didn’t talk to GOD then nor did I ask for God when my mom was dying in the hospital. My son when he was an infant had some life threatening brain swelling and I didn’t ask for GOD then either. I’m not a hypocrite for one thing. I do think there are some non-believers who scream God’s name, but that’s natural if they’ve been religious in t he past and given that they ARE indeed human,afraid of death and the unknown,but that does not prove there is a GOD! The brain has chemicals in it, some of those chemicals react to scary and unknown situations that SOME people are not ready to face!
We have had many tragedies and illnesses in the family yet I still don’t believe in talking snakes!!Or that a mythical person named Mary had a baby by GOD her baby daddy and that that half GOD half man person was named Jesus. I would be asking for child support if I were Mary! Nor have I ever called out GOD in a desperate moment.
Also we do have a good idea of what those Jews looked like in the region that your fake Jesus came from. And believe me he wasn’t blonde with blue eyes. Someone like him would have been a typical Jewish man of his day and extremely poor! Someone like him would have been extremely short with dark hair and dark coloring. Someone like Jesus would have been Middle Eastern looking. Why don’t you read a book? In fact why don’t you really study religion and the psychology of why people are religious? While your at it, read up on the people who lived in the region before you say something else stupid? You talk about false GODS? Lol that’s hilarious when I guarantee I will prove your “GOD” to be a false GOD. Why? because ALL GODS ARE FALSE GODS!!! But then again you are indoctrinated, so I’m sure you are in denial. There is no talking to you indoctrinated robots.
I don’t believe ANY Gods. I was raised Jewish and I think I would know a little more about the topic than you do. I would certainly know more about what a fake Jewish GOD would have looked. Christianity is a false religion and so are all the other idiotic religions. How can GOD be half human by the way? Why don’t you read the bible and then study ancient Jewish traditions? Maybe then you will see that your New Testament is the stuff dreams are made of. the New Testament is a joke filled with a bunch of nonsense! Yet you believe it without question?
You don’t know what happens after you die, so stop pretending to know! The arrogance of Christians and the religious right is just out of this world!! You all act like you have the answer, when in fact you are reading from evil ancient books to get your answer. No, you don’t hear logic because you are too stuck on stupid to learn anything.
Black women need to give up that Christian nonsense, more than they need to give up the weave. it’s unhealthy for you. You just totally overlooked the fact that your Jesus didn’t have an issue with slavery and all the other lies and atrocities in the OT.
You can’t believe some people still don’t believe in GOD? I can’t believe some of you are arrogant enough to still force a made up GOD and hellfire onto innocent children? How abusive is it to tell a child that they will burn for eternity if they don’t believe in talking snakes?? I swear logic escapes you religious robots.
Sad.
You should like that the women want to make them feel better about themselves. Thats what it is all about. You should know how to raise money for the church theres more than 23 years old ladys in your church.
I live near Waco and I think the pastor has a point. Women complain they broke or no money for the kids but they spend hundreds on Indian remy I don’t get it. The same women who feel I’m gorgeous I’m badd and all that crap are laced with weave and make up. Sad.
Wow! I think the Pastor was quite courageous in highlighting where black women should concentrative: See 1Pe.3;1-4.I have to agree that is Masking or Masquerading. It is giving a false image of ones self. It is another method the enemy is using to distract black women from investing in spending more time on beautifying the inner man. Many Preachers is silent about it for fear of them leaving their congregation. God said He hate every false way Ps119:104. The image we give of ourselves is very important to God. This is a general truth for all of us but I’m specifically dealing with the topic at hand. When we give a false appearance of ourselves in the this way, we are saying in effect, we are not satisfied with ourselves. At the heart of all this is lies and deception. What is this deception? It believing that I look more beautiful if I appear to look like someone else; or I will not be accepted if I didn’t mask myself. My black sister, don’t receive that lie. you look more beautiful being your self. The lord will use your uniqueness to minister to many hurting black women who are suffering from low self esteem. In addition, you will stand out from the rest, because of retaining your uniqueness. If you focus more on inner beauty God will give you favour with men. I’m appealing to God fearing black women to be very careful with the image you are presenting of yourselves. Because our body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. What we do with it and how we present it to the World is important to God. Some preachers may tell you, that is putting you in bondage or putting back under law, nothing could be further from the truth. The Gospel is a message of Grace, but Grace calls us to a higher standard of Holiness and enables us to live a greater life of victory. Rom6:14,Titus2:11-13. It does not say it is ok to live worldly and pretentious lives. I’m calling on all those of you Black Female God fearing leaders and ministers in the Church to watch the image you are projecting to the younger black sisters. The call of God is to be the person he intended you to be and not to give a false representation of yourself. I thank God that at this hour is Has strategically place Watchman in the body in The of Christ who will give warning to the body of the deception of the enemy. The image we often give of ourselves is a reflection as to what goes on in our heart. I just felt constraint to add my endorsement to the admonition given By the Minister this topic. My prayer is that they will see the wisdom in the aforementioned.
Here we go with the opinion and supposedly a revelation of God’s word from another man. I would not be amazed of your actual walk with God. Anybody that can agree this very shalklow and selfish mindset canot be as true to God as htey need to. You sound like you may really be one of these men that could go for a former black muslim. Weave, hair and makeup does not make the woman. Neither does it break a woman. I have seen too many women weaved and unweaved that are so confused and with low selfesteem. We all need Jesus to erase any doubt or troubled mind set. We are no longer under the law, but grace. Let grace have its free reign in the hearts of all people ( the weavable and the unweavable). Get over this selfish mindset of the Pastor, that really should be teahing finance classes instead of telling women how to look.
Genuine Souls have no need for a disingenuous appearance . . .
R.L. Worthy
I feel sorry for Cameron!!! On the day of judgement you will be trembling in your boots. Can’t say no one told you. You can tell me off, cuss me out I don’t care. It still will not change the fact that you are a loss cause!!!!
WEAVES are BAD. I could never where them. Fun style my ass. You’d have to have mental issues to put on those wigs. I LOVE MY NATURAL HAIR. I would never want to hide it under boring weave of white women hair because to me that says YOU ARE FAKE.
And yes BLACK WOMEN wear weaves to look like WHITE WOMEN. Just look at doll tests and black children pointing out the lightest and blondest dolls as being nice, pretty, and good (whilst pointing out the darkest dolls as being bad and ugly). Weave wearing is reprehensible in my opinion.
I’m glad you said your opinion.
Let’s see… how many white girls have I known that have worn a weave *crickets* ONE girl who had it done by her black girlfriends and then only had it in for one week of her life.
How many white women do I know that live on hair weaves *crickets*
How many black women do I know who live on hair weave… hmmm I’d say it’s pretty common and I think I can say it is most.. Imma go with 3 out of 5.
I’m still in school and most of the girls with perms DO NOT have “good hair” or hair that looks good permed (aka perm burned) so most of them weave it up or have to live with perm burned hair (aka not shiny, flowy, silky)
A few heat style and it does tend look better than permed hair (marginally) but I think it really depends the hair type. Because one of the girls who heat styles her hair DOES NOT moisturize it properly, uses stripping shamppoos and only sprays mineral oil loaded oil sheen on it yet it looks aka “good hair” but she doesn’t have “nigga hair” as she calls it due to being part native american. I know girls with “perm burned” hair who take better care of it but just happen to get the bad end of the stick. Just goes to show you can’t judge the health or care of someone’s hair by it’s appearance.
NO Hair is not an accessory. A weave should not be done up for “FUN STYLE”. Styling is fine, if done on natural hair. But fake hair is shameful, plain and simple. Weave wearing is a symtom of someone with low-self esteem. I completly content in the mind, body and spirit that God gave me. I am 24 years old and have never had any interest in WEAVE. AND would need to have a self-conscious mindset and that of of someone with a low self-esteem to wear one (which I just cringed in writing; I NEVER would). So that is my conclusion.
Don’t some women use weave to transition? Or just experiment? Or have a fun style? Maybe I want red hair this week and don’t want to dye my hair. Body image is a problem in our society. I agree. But blanketedly passing judgment on everyone is a little harsh. We should be teaching that its deeper than the clothes and accessories, but how we present ourselves, which is most convincingly done when we respect and love ourseselves.
He is right, can’t get mad at him! Just pulled my weave out yesterday! Feels liberating!!!!! I am beautiful without it!
Dang folks just want to bash Christianity but if you are a true Christian ridicule and persecution is to be expected.
LOL that’s funny. If you look throughout history and common day Earth, it’s the opposite. Christians are just inclined to be hypocritical that way.
… I knew the comments were going to be crazy in this one but, woah! What happened?
I am a black man and personally hate weave extentions. It is disgraceful. They are an blasphemy to our God. I would never be caught dead with a women with a hair weave. Relax your own hair instead. Be proud of what God gave you. If he wanted you to have indian or a ukrainian womens hair, or synthetic horse hair you would have been born with it.
If someone is beleiver in a God, and believe that they are “wonderfully made” in the “image of God” why wouldn’t you want to wear your hair how he created it? And instead wear another races hair? That’s one of the things I don’t get. Don’t you think that would be insulting to the almighty God? Why are blacks even practising this religion, that was introduced to us through slavery and assimilation? There are many other religions, why do blacks hold so tight onto the concept that this religion must be right? It’s that lack of self-reflection and critical thinking that lead to the vast majority of blacks thinking that damaging the health and beauty of their hair to achieve a more European look is what they’re supposed to do.
Christinaity didn’t originat in Africa. Africa had it’s own traditional religions. The Bible was written by Middle Eastern tribes men, and spread to Europe often through death of any one who refused to convert. I have read the Bible and studied the history surronding it, and let me tell you that slavery is mentioned and condoned by Jesus Christ himself. As well as the genocide of any “heathen” culture. It was Christian men who wiped out the Native American culture, by the command of the precious Bible.
This is harmless. He’s just expressing his opinion and quite honestly I side with him. However if he were trying to band people who wear weave from church, well that’s a whole other story.
Personally it’s hard to draw the line. If weave presents a false image so we should stop wearing it, it begs the question what else are we doing that presents a false image that we should stop doing. I think if we are honest we will find a lot of external and internal things that are capable of that. Rather than judgin people saying they are presenting a false image I think we should let people make that call for themselves. And again I say personally that’s might be hard to do. When I wear extensions i am not trying to fool anyone. In addition I am just as comfortable with my natural hair as I am my weave and honestly wear both at equal rates. But of I were a chronic weave wearer does that mean I have self image problems or maybe I don’t have the time and care it takes to do my hair and I think weave is easier. I mean the scenarios are endless… As long as your living within your means and comfortable with the way God made you I don’t real know why there is a reason to be so vocal on the subject. At the end of the day if it ain’t you, you should have no worries. And if it is you only God can judge.
Ok, so if people take off their weave, false teeth, prosthetic limbs, straighteners, colours, false eye lashes, nails, reconstructive breast implants, wheel chairs, canes, ANYTHING that promotes a different image, including clothing according to body type and skin colour, it seems things might get real interesting in that church. The commentators are right, God never said to micromanage people. Also, ahem. ALL ethnic groups wear weaves and hair extensions!!!! Jesus Christ died for us all.
In most cases a cain, prosthetic or wheelchair is a necessity but a weave is not.The fore mentioned items help people function and maneuver better which aid in enhancing ones life. Apples and oranges all day. Disclaimer~ If one desires to rock a wig or weave…do it as long as I’m not paying for it, lbvs!!
Pastor just wants less money on weaves and more money in his [struggling] congreation. THAT IS ALL!!!
In my opinion, this pastor is making an effort to express his perspective of the women he sees in his own church. He does not appear to be concerned with sensitivity respective of any race. The pastor’s goal here appears to be to encourage his leadership staff to lead by example and to not try to be something or someone they are not. From my perspective the pastor is stating to his members the social responsibility one has to uphold as a Christian. Maybe the pastor did use Biblical scriptures to preface his conversation. Maybe the pastor wants his leadership staff to give more of themselves (spiritually, physically, and financially) to the Lord. Maybe the wearing of hair weaves has become a distraction rather than an attraction during their weekly services. The article never states the full context in which the pastor was speaking. Non the less, the article opened up a forum for us to explore how wearing hair weaves affects the external characteristics of a Christian.
It is true that the internal (heart of a person) is reflected externally. Wearing hair weaves is probably very similar to that of wearing wigs. Both of these add to a person’s appearance. I believe that if a person chooses to wear a weave it should modestly add to enhance the person’s looks. I feel that if for whatever reason (medically, etc.) a person chooses to wear a weave, the weave should blend in to fit the personality of the individual. As Christians, we are to attract others to Christ (spiritually inward/outward). Non-Christians should be able to distinguish a Christian based on 1) their behaviors and 2) their appearance. Generally how we treat people (good) should be in line with how they visually see us (good).
Wearing a weave is not a sin. Wearing a weave will probably not send you to the Lake of Fire. However, as an ambassador for Christ, we must always carefully examine our relationship with the Lord and inquire of him how he wants us to look externally so that we are not a distraction or obstacle for other Christians and Non-Christians alike. The objective of the Christian life is to compel (invite) non-believers to make a decision about their eternal destination (Heaven/Hell). The Bible never speaks of Jesus using devices or gimmicks to win the hearts and minds of people. It states that Jesus demonstrated his love and compassion for us by being an example of a humble servant.
I think that society does (to a certain degree) dictate how we look. The social economic industry strives on meeting our demands. What we eat, what we wear, the kind of car we drive, the home we have, etc. Economically we are driven to look and feel a certain way. Entertainers are just that—E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-E-R-S! They are paid to entice and tease the senses. The sense they mostly appeal to is our mind–our ability to decide. As we all know, many companies pay celebrities a lot of money to promote their products. As Christians, we should strive to be beautiful both inside and out. However, our outside beauty should never distract or repel anyone from coming to Christ.
Oooooo!!!! I is a scared negra woman massa!!!!!!! Geez when is the rapture bus coming already!!? Yes, yes blame the Devil….But you can’t because for one, Satan is a mythical Christian creature that comes from the Hebrew word ” Ha-Satan which is noun, and not the title of a demonic beast. The word Hasatan means adversary, again not a title.The character of Satan is totally made up.
Hasatans were a higher class of angels called ben-Elohim in the kingdom of heaven, meaning son’s of God. The ben-elohim are actually sort of like God’s prosecuting attorney’s. A Ha-satan is fully accountable to Yahweh, he is a servant of Yahweh and is required to give account of his whereabouts and activities.Ha-Satan has limitations and restrictions placed on him. Ha-Satans can only do what God gives him permission to do.A hasatan is merely a servant of God, employed by God.The ha-satan word describes what an appointed angel does. God controls both good and evil….but wait! God is love? Now that’s awkward!
Colalover… I wish more people particularly black people wake up from this delusion. We would be better off but unfortunetly that won’t happen anytime soon. 99.9% of blacks have fallen for this and the irony of it all is that slavery didn’t just take away our culture and language, it replaced it with a European god with blond hair and blue eyes. The very people who denounce wigs weaves and extensions don’t have a problem worshipping an image that is not reflective of their own people. People get upset when you mess this topic. Slavery isn’t just the physical bondage….but the mental and emotional hangover it has left and still persist today. Black folks in particular will defend it more than the people who used it to keep them in bondage.
Instead of cheerleading others in their misguided opinions, how about you take time to actually read the bible, no where in the bible does it say God is European and it certainly doesn’t tell you he had blonde hair,
I find it very offensive as a follower of God that you are sharing something so false with others that is used by man to mislead others, before everyone here starts agreeing with the pastor he has one job only to do and that is to push the good wOrd of the Lord, anything outside that should be done in his own time, he should not be singling out people’s ill choices in church and making judgement…which is exactly what he is doing
Most of the black people are to stupid to realize this and think he is in the right..it still is not his place…so now we are bringing hair issues not just at fault in the black community we are bringing it to the church lmao.
The origins of the bible and where it was written and its history is self evident. The bible you read now was handled manipulated and rewritten by European popes starting with pope constantine. You need to read some history before you start attacking people.
I’m telling you something don’t get it twisted.
The bible was first and foremost inspired by those close to God,they included his apostles and other bible writers before it got to man,the bible was then transcriptase and modernised so people of today could understand it ,there is a big difference between that and man make it up fairy tales
It’s no use mlank, trust me. These people are deluded beyond reason. Funny how the things that came out of slavery (straight hair, Christianity) are praised the most by blacks. The irony.
Ah….Let’s examine the theory of evolution….wait, never mind, because 1. You need to understand evolution before you can make a serious argument work for ya.
2. Just because you’re too lazy to study evolution doesn’t make the bible’s b.s. Fairytales about a talking snake and trees of knoweledge correct.
3. Even if I sat here and helped you to understand evolution and what the scientific definition of the word “theory”means when scientists use it, you’d still denounce it because Preacher man tells you to.
4. To understand the evolution of any species you’d have to,quit being lazy and try to understand the basics of natural selection,microevolution and the chemical and radiation damages which causes certain mutations that occur among a species tover a time.
In science a theory is the most concrete understanding of a subject matter available. A theory the way scientist use the word “theory” does not mean it’s an educated guess or a hypothesis. As usual preacher man has mislead you and of course you believe a preacher over science because you’re too lazy about studying, investigating and discovering the natural world around you.
Oh no it’s easier for you to sit in ignorance, never investigating anything, cherry picking when you see fit, and all for what? To make t into the Jesus Christ country club in the sky?
Anyway here is something to get you started on the basics of evolution. Learn what the word “theory”means when applied to scientific method first. I doubt you’d denounce the theory of gravity btw or many other “theories in science either!
http://www.NotJustATheory.com/
I think your reply (and others as well) represent the problem we have in the world when it comes to religion. You might not respect a person’s religion or beliefs, but you should respect that person. Speaking in a condescending manner and calling people names will not encourage meaningful dialogue. Instead, it will instigate or continue the vicious cycle of hateful speech and arguments.
Can BGLH please do another article about natural hair in the corporate/business/professional world. I believe these recent articles about weaves, straight hair, beauty, and respectability politics are very constructive yet… the last article directly exploring natural hair in the professional world basically said “coming from one person’s perspective whose lived it, my anecdote explains why THIS IS what you should do with your appearance to BE PROFFESIONAL natural women” . But I couldn’t swallow that pill and I don’t feel its right to talk about something like its an absolute truth and it could still possibly be a myth Black women perpetuate that has no real evidence besides the fact that we recycle this practice of living in the white gaze. I would love to see an article or more added unto this series of articles that is more discussion based viewing multiple sides and having strong credible arguments from women who come from these areas (more like Real Life: I wear my natural hair “out” and I work on wall street), not just anecdotes and experiences, but venture into what the professional culture is where black women and their hair fit (or don’t fit) in, and what we can do to break these restrictions on our innate blackness that MAY have affects on our social mobility.
I get so tired of the “attack” on type 4 hair. Everyone knows that kinky hair is stigmitized. You can’t wear it the way it is because it is nappy..you can’t straighten then you trying to be ‘white'(don’t understand this point as if white women are the only people with straighter hair types)..you can’t wear weaves because it’s false & displaing a false image. Why do people with other hair types not have all these problems? I especially get peeved when black men chime in..they do NOT have the same hair stigma that black women do..they can just cut it off. It is JUST hair..good grief. I like clean hair that looks like the person made an effort to groom it(be it ‘wild’ or tame) no matter what style or texture they may have.
Wow. The comments.
I have no dog in this fight. I’ll be the first to admit I’ve never worn a sew in or had hair glued to my head. Even when I experienced stress-induced alopecia, I would not wear a wig. The closest I’ve come is wearing extensions in my cornrows during my transition. Even then I cut my transition short (to about 5 months) because I hated wearing someone else’s hair in my head. That’s just me.
Yet, looking back over my life and thinking about the times I fantasized about working for myself and traveling, I realize that if I used the money I spent on weekly visits to the salon to purchase domain names, stocks or rental properties, I could have left corporate America much earlier. I think that’s one of the points the minister was trying to make. Black people are quick to jump on the wealth disparity between blacks and whites, but fail to acknowledge that a lot of the cash that could be used to build wealth ends up on our heads (or on our cars, or on our backs, or on our feet, etc).
I say the following not to judge: We need housing, we need food, we need clothing, and in some parts of the country we need transportation. No one needs weave. It’s really sad that we have elevated fake hair to a necessity of life when we can be using those funds for other things.
I thank God for my pastor who told his congregation on several occasions and I quote, “I’m going to show you how to take the message and leave the mess. When you leave the church because you don’t like what is said, guess what you find when you get to your new sanctuary, you. Be not conformed to the ways of the world but be transformed by what? Very simple ladies, change your thinking. ( O.K.That will hit you later this week).
Interesting article. This pastor is telling the truth though for most people. Yes, there are some women who can afford to spend 100-300 on a weave every 2-3 months. But, most can’t and that is why you see more people with weaves that they have self-installed. I don’t think wearing weaves is the issue. The issue is WHY are you wearing the weaves, just like WHY are you wearing makeup. Makeup is supposed to enhance your natural beauty–not mask you to look like another person. I think that if you wear weave it should enhance your natural hair. Some people will have a weave that is down their back, but their real hair is two inches off of their head–THAT is false advertising and perpetuating a false image. I never did understand either the fascination with types of weaves–indian remy, malaysian, etc. Why do we use silky weaves when our own natural hair is not that texture, unless you are mixed. I just don’t understand what the fascination is–this is where I begin to wonder about whether or not people are content with their own hair or as the pastor said trying to be someone they are not especially when they can’t afford it. I definitely don’t think weaves in of themselves are wrong or a sign of low self-esteem for every women. Weaves have made it possible for many women to have long hair that may have always wanted long hair, but could never grown their own hair out–and that’s okay, just as long as our value and identity does not get wrapped up in it.
He should stay focused on souls – preaching the good news of Jesus Christ. That’s what he’s called to do. But trying to “determine” the reason for a woman’s choice in wearing a weave is none of his concern. Some women do it for convenience, some have alopecia, and some do have self esteem issues. But that’s not his position to regulate. That’s like saying DON’T EAT BEEF because the cow is fat! Jesus did not call us to pick on people but to preach the good news and heal the sick! It’s sad that some of our leaders are becoming concerned with things that are only separating the lost further from God. Wearing a weave doesn’t make a person less righteous. When it all boils down to it, even his “righteousness” is as filthy rags. It’s only by the grace of God that he has a pulpit.
I can understand the pastor’s point and women being something they’re not. Being artificial is so not cool but that seems to be in nowadays (with no benefit to self-esteem). Fake hair, fake hair color, fake nails, fake eyelashes, plastic for fake you-name-its–enough! I’m really tired of seeing people walking around basically wearing a costume.
The biggest problem that I have with weave and so-called Christian women is that I can’t understand how a person can call themselves Christian while wearing a sacrifice that was made to a pagan god. Maybe people were in the dark before, but now it is well known that the Indian hair flooding the weave market is a product of pagan sacrifice. I can’t see anyway to justify this. If you’re going to wear a weave while Christian, at least let it be synthetic.
Pagans did cut the mane of horses to worship with etc but that doesn’t mean they sold out globally that black women are now wearing cursed weaves, the hair that is used more are from peruvian,Brazilian Indian or European women, mainly poor countries and women who cut off their hair for charity and donate it.
I understand what the pastor is trying to do. He only wants to encourage his congregation to love themselves instead trying to be something they cannot, but like most people he’s just going about it wrong. The women I know in my family do not wear weave because of low self-esteem they wear it as a protective hair style or just because they are tired of doing their hair. There is nothing wrong with that. Also it’s weird to me that no one has informed him of these point of views.
I can understand that the pastors uttering gives different perspectives. What I personally think what the Pastor is Really saying is: “Embrace Your True-God-Giving Beauty and when you do you will spend your money more Wisely!”
I understand stand the message but I think he went about it wrong. If we’re gonna point fingers let’s not forget the men with $300 sneakers and $500 sound systems in the car. You have to fix the problem within the family and with everyone, not just the ladies.
i think a lotta ppl are missing the intention behind his msg. lol at the person who speculated that he’s probly tryna increase his collection plate money. but i digress.
he’s speaking to practicality as well as making an appeal to the natural beauty of black women. a good number of black women tie their self-worth to their hair, which is a shame, since the hair to which they attach the most value is fake more often than not, and two, since that sense of worth should never come from something as superficial as hair.
but that too, the women in his congregation (maybe not all of them but some) are stealing from their children’s mouths, in essence, to feed the straw on their heads. which is dumb. i’ve actually seen this, so i can’t knock it.
we’re all assuming here, and many are assuming that the women probly bought knock-off wigs and hooked them up to make them look not-cheap, and so therefore the pastor mistakenly thinks they have spent a lotta money on those wigs whilst they struggle to pay bills.
but i think anyone who’s spent any time looking at wigs and looking at wigs on other women can tell you that there’s a world of difference between a cheap wig and a jaw-dropping-ly expensive one. not to say he is an expert of any kind, but perhaps, for all we know, he heard through the grapevine from a reliable source (playing devil’s advocate here, because truly we do not know) that these women were in fact forking over rent money for the hair. i think his points would be valid, and i don’t see him caring enough to dedicate a Sunday sermon to it if it weren’t a widespread issue *in his church*.
AMEN my sister! Truth hurts.
1 Corinthians 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering….bought…sown in…clipped…don`t simple believe the words of a preacher, read for yourself.
Diana Marie, you made some good points about this pointless argument of Pastor Armir. There are too many other things to focus on other than weave and hair. We have some serious issues happening in this society for him to focus on how much women are paying on their hair. My advice to the Pastor is teach classes on finances. Insulting someone is not operating in the wisdom of God. He needs to ask for wisdom.
And how does HE know that the member spent the money for the weave? She could have been given a hair day as a gift from someone wanting to be a blessing to her. People have to get out of themselves and think deeper than what’s on the outside. I agree with what you said! There are more things to be concerned with.
Lil Deb,
I agree completely with you and insulting anyone is not a way to as you so elegantly put it “operate in the wisdom of God’ This is also a tell-tale sign of the immaturity of the pastor. I sincerely hope that he is part of a connected church system that will provide him with spiritual mentoring and guidance so that he can grow into the type of pastor that grows and guides his flock to higher and higher heights of biblical understanding and personal happiness and contentment. Right now he is on the road to “Aw..look another church has closed” by trying to dictate to the woman in the church what they can and can not wear.
WOW…I am so sick and tired of men and women pontificating here and everywhere else on issues that really have no importance in the lives of most black or brown people in this country. If you wear weave..OK!! where it like no one else !!..it you are natural..OK!! wear that like no other person can…just DO YOU!!!ALL DAY.. EVERYDAY..IN EVERY WAY!!!!
Now, this Pastor is way out of his lane…How does he know the weave cost 300.00…now I read that his congregation is struggling financially and unless someone is ratting out the women when they are “doing their hair”he has no idea what a woman in his congregation paid for anything. STAY IN YOUR LANE PASTOR. Poor women have been ‘Makin do” for hundreds of years…that means we do our own hair, makeup, clothing, curtains, make our own creams, lotions,etc…for a “lil nothin”….and we pull off that weave, designed nails, etc…and probably did not spend over 20.00 doing it. Pastor..ya just don’t know “how to look great on the cheap”
I have been a Pastor’s wife or First Lady for the last 27 years and I have to tell you all that my hubby learned a long time ago that there are boundaries that all ministers need to respect in order for the church to grow and remain healthy. “Ruling over” anyone in the congregation ( most especially the women in the congregation )is a quick way to get into trouble with everybody in the congregation. Establishing yourself as the complete and sole authority inside and outside of the church is a big kiss of death for the entire church!. Pastors that set themselves up as such are NOT concerned with the imparting of the word, bible teachings and studies, the literal health safety and welfare of the church and it’s members…they are more concerned in a nasty covert way of establishing themselves as one to be worshiped and paid royally. These are some of the major reasons people leave churches in droves every year!None of us needs “another master or slave driver” PASTOR STAY IN YOUR LANE!!!. My husband is consistently more concerned with how our members are navigating these horrible, unsavory times we ALL are trying to survive in. In all of my years with this man I have never once heard him comment on a members hair or the cost of it! I have seen him on the phone calling to “check in with folks” after the most horrible occurrences such hurricane Katrina, or recently the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case. He is one that goes to the hospital and sits with the family while they wait for a loved one to return from surgery. He is the kinda Pastor that will delay his own dinner to go to the hospice in the final moments of a members life and wait for that transition to be complete. He is one that has a very clear and realistic understanding of the bible and feels no need to use this great book as a battering ram or weapon. He is the kinda pastor that works in almost all of our fund raisers…rain or shine, heat or cold weather because “As a Shepard I gotta walk with the flock rather than against it”
This Rev. Amir is quite young and it appears he has no mentors that are helping to guide him as he grows as a pastor. The best advice I can give to him is to “stand down pastor..this is not your job..the church police are not hiring at this time or any other time. Re-focus on the true needs of your church and congregation or else you will find that very young congregation leaving you in the dust quick, fast and in a hurry!
I don’t mean any disrespect but $20 weave ain’t cute so I think even the untrained eye knows expensive weave when they see it. There is no rationale behind someone being so broke that they have no money to pay their bills or care for their children yet spend $300 on priyanka’s hair.
The pastor was not trying to rule over anyone and he didn’t say this to the congregation he said it to those higher up as if to ask them to set a good example. The point is, it doesn’t matter what other people or other races are doing, the black race has so little identity since slavery, what’s wrong with bringing that identity and self love back to ourselves? People need to stop making comparisons, what he said is for the better and for a better future for the black people in his congregation. To love what god gave them. I’m no Christian but I gotta say amen to that.
$20 weave CAN look cute in the right hands. A good hairdresser can do wonders. Just saying…,
but you might fork over to the hairdresser that which you might’ve paid outright for a good weave. last time i checked, good hairdressers don’t come cheap.
People can do whatever they want with their hair, but I would rather get braid extensions than a weave. The reason being, I don’t understand how someone can pay money to get hair that they still have to blow dry, straighten, etc. If I have to pay money for something, it better be as convenient as braid extensions.
And in regards to the pastor, I don’t get why he’s talking about this during his sermon. I don’t think the church is the place to be talking about hair weave.
I think you missed the MAIN point of the pastor’s message. If you are struggling then why do you have a $300 weave? He said the young mother is struggling. Two key factors MOTHER and STRUGGLING! She’s responsible for someone else so why spend $300 on some hair? If sickness is involved, wigs are less expensive. Judging by your response your husband’s ministry is most likely NOT operating in apostolic order and he’s probably being ran into the ground by a bunch of self-centered people.
All ministries should be based upon the apostolic. After all, it is what the apostles wrote, being inspired by God!
Ah yes let us pick on the young black single mom. But I would wear 700 dollar 3c weaves that my hubby would gladly pay for when I was under 30.He knew he was paying for it and would even ask me if I wanted to treat myself at the spa or hairstylist about every few months. Most of the single black moms the Preacher is so concerned about I might say most are under the age of 34. But whatever happened to the FATHER being around to help these women with household finances? So they can beautify themselves as they see fit if they want to? I’m sorry weaves are a personal choice I feel. I wore them sometimes, I had my own job but one of my husbands biggest pleasures was paying for my beautification. He also provides, even buying me new cars at times. But the average young black mom doesn’t get that support, so sometimes a mom just wants to spoil herself. I have never met a black mom who took their kids to Church, who didn’t feed them or keep roof over their heads properly. One thing about black women, if they get a weave their daughter usually have nice neat braids or weave.
Why doesn’t the charlatan preach to young black men the importance of marrying and supporting these women and kids? He talks to black women like they should automatically expect to be single mothers and main supporters for the rest of their lives. Some of these preachers neec to talk to and shame these men wearing pants hanging down around their butts instead. Talk aboutveducation or job training for these moms so they can get out of their ruts and depression and stop giving up sex so easily.. Why does he focus on their private beauty rituals? He needs to expose some of these fake black dead beat fathers, but you know you will rarely see another black man giving real talk truth to another black man in Public. Yet they’ll bash black women left and right and then you’ll have the black mammies just agreeing with this preacher
Well my dear if the father is not there, all that you can work with is preventing other young women from making the same mistake. In almost all cases both man and woman take the blame it takes 2 to lay down and make a baby- no one else’s fault but they own. And not to mention this is not the issue at hand.
How does HE know that the member spent the money for the weave? She could have been given a hair day as a gift from someone wanting to be a blessing to her. People have to get out of themselves and think deeper than what’s on the outside.
Toni,
I completely understood the Pastor’s message..it is an old one..there is nothing new about what this young and naive Pastor is doing. I think you got caught up in the drama and literalness of what this Pastor presented. How would this pastor know anything about what a woman is spending on such a personal area such as her hair? This is not his wife or daughter..it is a woman within the congregation..simply because he says she is struggling and has a child does not mean he can or should intercede…once again..STAY IN YOUR LANE PASTOR. Toni, it always flabbergasts me when a woman such as your self with limited knowledge/education can precisely indicate anything related to me and my husbands ministry. I did not reveal that information yet you took it upon your self to judge not only him but the ministry, congregation, church as a whole…HOW DARE YOU SET YOURSELF UP AS AN AUTHORITY ON MY HUSBAND,OUR CHURCH, OUR CONGREGATION WHEN YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT US. Unfortunately it is people like you and your baseless statements related to me,my husband, our church and it’s ministry that simply make it possible for the “person on the outside looking in” to just keep it moving…to remain outside the church. Tossing around terms such as ” apostolic order” without having a clear and concise historical and biblical understanding of the concept all you are doing is making it possible for negativity and the “I am a better christian than you” nonsense to take shape and form, thus separating and alienating more and more people from church and ultimately God.
As I said in my earlier response..Pastor, STAY IN YOUR LANE… who ever has a weave or wig or clip in piece of hair..or is simply natural..encouraging souls to come into the church community as they are and working with that is a mighty tall order to fulfill.
I am so sick and tired of men and women pontificating here and everywhere else on issues that really have no importance in the lives of most black or brown people in this country. If you wear weave..OK!! where it like no one else !!..it you are natural..OK!! wear that like no other person can…just DO YOU!!!ALL DAY.. EVERYDAY..IN EVERY WAY!!!!
Now, this Pastor is way out of his lane…How does he know the weave cost 300.00…now I read that his congregation is struggling financially and unless someone is ratting out the women when they are “doing their hair”he has no idea what a woman in his congregation paid for anything. STAY IN YOUR LANE PASTOR. Poor women have been ‘Makin do” for hundreds of years…that means we do our own hair, makeup, clothing, curtains, make our own creams, lotions,etc…for a “lil nothin”….and we pull off that weave, designed nails, etc…and probably did not spend over 20.00 doing it. Pastor..ya just don’t know “how to look great on the cheap”
I have been a Pastor’s wife or First Lady for the last 27 years and I have to tell you all that my hubby learned a long time ago that there are boundaries that all ministers need to respect in order for the church to grow and remain healthy. “Ruling over” anyone in the congregation ( most especially the women in the congregation )is a quick way to get into trouble with everybody in the congregation. Establishing yourself as the complete and sole authority inside and outside of the church is a big kiss of death for the entire church!. Pastors that set themselves up as such are NOT concerned with the imparting of the word, bible teachings and studies, the literal health safety and welfare of the church and it’s members…they are more concerned in a nasty covert way of establishing themselves as one to be worshiped and paid royally. These are some of the major reasons people leave churches in droves every year!None of us needs “another master or slave driver” PASTOR STAY IN YOUR LANE!!!. My husband is consistently more concerned with how our members are navigating these horrible, unsavory times we ALL are trying to survive in. In all of my years with this man I have never once heard him comment on a members hair or the cost of it! I have seen him on the phone calling to “check in with folks” after the most horrible occurrences such hurricane Katrina, or recently the verdict in the Trayvon Martin case. He is one that goes to the hospital and sits with the family while they wait for a loved one to return from surgery. He is the kinda Pastor that will delay his own dinner to go to the hospice in the final moments of a members life and wait for that transition to be complete. He is one that has a very clear and realistic understanding of the bible and feels no need to use this great book as a battering ram or weapon. He is the kinda pastor that works in almost all of our fund raisers…rain or shine, heat or cold weather because “As a Shepard I gotta walk with the flock rather than against it”
This Rev. Amir is quite young and it appears he has no mentors that are helping to guide him as he grows as a pastor. The best advice I can give to him is to “stand down pastor..this is not your job..the church police are not hiring at this time or any other time. Re-focus on the true needs of your church and congregation or else you will find that very young congregation leaving you in the dust quick, fast and in a hurry!
What is this insatiable desire for narrow minded men to control all women… personally I think he knows how much women spend on weaves and he wants them to stop so the women will put some of that weave money in the collection plate!
AMEN!
I’m a conservative Christian and I both agree and disagree with what he is saying. I disagree with the aspect of weaves being deceitful. I get his point and I understand what he is saying, but most people can tell that a weave is a weave. However, he is dead on with saying that people focus too much on what they look like on the outside instead of what is in their hearts. Those of us who go to church know that it is true! How many times do we see women who show up to church perfectly made up, but their lives don’t reflect Christ? How many times do we see those ladies in the back with the simple press and curl or a grandma wig and those are the ladies who you know are on their knees every morning in prayer. They are the ones who visit the sick in the hospital, who pray for others, and who know the scripture. Yes, these are stereotypes, but I’ve grown up in the church and have seen them all my life.
The other telling aspect is the fact that many of his parishioners are struggling financially. While telling them how to wear their hair might be a bit much, he has every right to tell them to be good stewards of the money that God has given them. In fact, he would be shirking his duties as a pastor if he DIDN’T encourage them to be fiscally responsible. I see this all the time at my job. I have co-workers who struggle to make rent and are on food stamps but they always have their hair done nicely. It just saddens me. Now, if they had a cheap weave or wig, that is completely different, because I know that it isn’t setting them back a whole lot financially, but when you spend $300 on a weave and complain about your bills (my rent is $345 a month) I’m going to be giving you the side-eye in my head.
On the flip side, I COMPLETELY understand why women spend that kind of $$$ on weaves. It is a cutthroat world out there and a lot of guys still like women with long straight hair. If you are single and looking for a man, a long weave can be seen as simply an investment. While I would rather be natural headed and single than find a guy who likes me for my fake hair, I don’t blame women for choosing to go that route. Of course this doesn’t tackle the idea of protective styles or anything like that because we all want healthy hair.
I guess my takeaway is this: Get your heart in the right place first. (Spiritually) Secondly, get your finances in order. Thirdly, do your hair however you want!
i need this 345 dollar a month rent of which you speak. i wish! must be nice, lol!
You seem like a nice person, but you’re wrong. There is no historical proof that Christ ever lived. So what do you mean we should act Christ like? Ok let’s say your Christ did live at one point in history. A person like him would have lived never eating pork, never mixing fabrics together, Afterall he would have been a typical man of his day, sexist, prejudiced, ignorant and a second temple Jew at that. Jesus never had a problem with slavery, or the Old Testament. He didn’t seem to disagree with much of the evil in the OT? So are you advising us to be like that? Or are you cherry picking again?
I hear ya though, I think you mean living like him, as in wwjd? His so called morals and some of his teachings. Well if he’s actually God or if he is God’s son, then we’d never be able to be like him. We can only be ourselves flaws and all. Unless we are GOD too.
And I wonder how Jesus felt about his Dad raping and impregnating a 13 year old Mary. You know since Jewish girls were tradtionally betrothed at 12?
You do know that you can do good things and be the best person you can be without attaching all the “wwjd” stuff right?
You do no evolution and the big bang theory has not been proven either right… so you have no room to talk
I was gonna leave this conversation alone, but the audacity and gall of this person degrading and speaking ill of God’s Son-Jesus! You sound just like Pharisees and saducees in Jesus’ day. You will see how wrong you are when you die and open your eyes in hell. By the way, it is very real! Continue to disbelieve the scripture…. You will see. Every knee will bow and every will confess that Jesus is Lord.
The article is about a pastor having a problem with weave, stop using it to spread your bile!!!
I couldn’t agree with you omore Colalover. However, on this site I think we are in the minority.
I use to relax and weave my hair and believe the myth (that other black people told me) that my hair was bad and it needed to be straight. At the age of 29 I realized that a lot of my identity was tied into my hair. I also learned for the first time that my hair was curly after stretching out a relaxer and feeling my new growth. I’d been getting relaxers since I was a child because my mother pretended to know so much about hair care ( as most black women in her generation did) and didn’t know a damn thing at all. So because my hair was “bad” she relaxed my hair at the age of 8 and I finally stopped at the age of 29. Let’s be real ladies, long flowing straight hair is viewed as beautiful. Kinky/Curly hair is not. The weave industry is a billion dollar business and the majority of its customers are black women. You can tell yourselves you wear weaves to be “versatile” all you want. I’m not dumb enough to believe that lie. Ask yourself why would putting on some Indian woman’s hair be a good idea for a black woman? Anyway, I understand what this pastor is saying because I’ve lived it. Wearing a weave is saying “My hair is not good enough.” “I have to look like another ethnicity to be attractive.” “My hair is bad.” Anyway I’m 33 years old now and have been natural (no weaves and no relaxer)since I was 29. I never imagined my hair could grow long and strong because I never gave my natural hair a chance to show me what it could do. Being natural was the best thing I’ve ever done for myself.
Some of ya’ll are being silly.
I honestly don’t mind if black women want to wear weaves BUT you cannot compare white women wearing extensions to black women wearing extensions or weave. On a white woman they are enhancing what they already have, on a black woman it is fake and something completely unnatural.
Secondly, you can’t compare wearing bright red lipstick and wearing clothes to wearing weave. Be reasonable.
And I see EXACTLY what this pastor is talking about. I went to a church this year where the pastor said she is dismayed by the financial distress of the followers and she was giving her followers tips. My thing is, looking around I couldn’t see who she was preaching too, all I see is long flowing ombre weaves that look like they cost a bomb.
I agree, black women should wear they hair natural if they can,but I’m biased because I don’t have health problems that some might have, I don’t like permanently straight hair, and I am a beautiful young natural queen with long flowy longer than BSL natty natural hair. and I’m fly.
But each to their own, you only live once, and if weave makes you feel better then so be it.
The only time I’ve seen white girls wear hair weaves (and the average girl you see at the mall or at school or anywhere else is NOT) is to make their hair longer. The weave looks exactly like their real hair, same texture and consistency and all except it is longer.
I dislike weaves and women wearing them (and lets be real, over 90% of them are black women), because weave wearers are sooo consearned about the state of my natural hair and how I wear it. But under their weaves is badly damaged, dry, unhealthy, helpless hair.
Myth, myth, myth! I am sorry but that is soooo untrue white women actually purchase and where more weaves than black women. The weaves are made for or are closer to there texture so you can’t tell as well on them. They also tend to have more $ and can afford the top of the line hair fusion, running into $K’s. Asian girls where weaves too. I’ve seen it. Look at the Kardashians, all we’ve out. Popular culture always wants to portray black women as if we are the only ones who where and need weaves. Not true. The Europeans invented weaves. The hair is not made for US” by US”. There is nothing wrong with wearing weaves. I just wish we would make and sell our own product to our people in our texture. The pastor is entitled to his own opinion. I’m enclined to agree with some of what he says. Cause if you barely feeding your fam then an expensive weave has no bid-ness on the budget! I think different hairstyles is freedom of expression. I like individuality, we should not all look and dress the same. Having a head full of hair I’ve worn wigs just to be different. My idol Pam Greer, had the bomb afro and she wore wigs for different looks in her movies and looked damn good doin it. Do what you like and respect the next person for doing what they like.
let’s say we did make and sell weaves of our texture to ourselves, of course. realistically speaking, who do you think would buy it (among us)? maybe a few die-hards, natural hair fans (like myself), but…we certainly wouldn’t contribute enough to pose an inkling of a threat to the acquisition and sell of straighter hair types.
and even if this alone weren’t an issue, given the current climate as it now stands and has for decades, how exactly would you derive this afro-textured hair? even the afro textured hair on the market now is not originally afro hair. how many black girls one, have hair long enough to donate solely for the purpose of sitting on some other girl’s head, and two, would have hair in good enough condition to withstand daily wear and manipulation to which most weave gets subjected, even with the most acute care? everyone knows by now that afro hair, due to texture and curl size/pattern, IS the most fragile, after all; and three, how many long-haired black girls do you know or can think of who, after spending YEARS getting their hair to grow- involving much love, growth and acceptance of said hair- would cut their hard-earned length to give or even sell to someone else? if i grow my hair that long, NO price would be high enough, short of at least 500 mil. but i think i’d settle for $300 million on a lousy day.
i say all that to say this: you’d end up having to use either synthetic hair for the purpose, or two, get it from where? where you’re already getting it, and chemically treating the hair to make it curly/kinky. so yes, we’d STILL be relying on the indians, asians, etc. for the hair production. because it’s easier to grow their hair to long lengths- less labor intensive and more predictable; and there’s much more straight hair in the world than kinky hair. it’s a sheer numbers game, at this level. plus, hypothetically speaking, i imagine a bglh would be more apt to go to war with you over stealing her hair than an indian/asian/caucasian would. the latter would be like “that sucks”, probly cry about it, and then get on with life and on to growing. the former? you’d die. simple as that. or maybe i’m getting carried away with my imagination, but the point is lol
it’s just not sustainable IRL application.
also, yes white women wear weave. this one’s getting tired as hell. but IRL it’s not nearly as common as it is in the media. of course kim wears weave, but she’s not your stereotypical white girl is she? fact is that in real life white girls do not wear weave. it’s rare, and even if they do, it’s just extension pieces that they wear because they are just changing their look or trying out a style or are impatient for their hair to get longer. contrast that with black women, the majority of whom wear weave if they do, because they think their real hair CAN’T grow. there’s a fundamental difference in mindset between the two. also, black women wear weave disproportionately. i’m not even gonna argue more on that one, because that’s just common sense. if you look around you, or heck, i’ll do it for you, if you happen to be on my college campus- nearly HALF the black girls are wearing weave! and if you venture outside of campus the vast MAJORITY of the local community of black women wear weave. maybe it’s different where you live but even where i grew up this was the case. black girls would always be in awe that i *wasn’t* wearing weave, it’s that prevalent.
but on the other hand i can promise you the white girls are *not* wearing weave and if they are the numbers are not nearly that high. case closed on that one. can we please retire the “white girls wear weave too!” argument because it’s not realistic and the women that state this are almost always referring to celebrities, who don’t count in any way shape or form. i agree with everything else you said, i think.
I’m a black woman who designed clip-in extensions specifically for natural hair and the natural hair journey. Personally, I use my own product as a protective style. And I love it! On days when I want to leave my hair braided up, but want the look of a gorgeous fro, I just snap on my Kurly Klips and call it a day. I’ve made it so that extensions are healthier for our hair because you can take them out and put them in whenever (they’re clip-ins) and more economical because you don’t have to pay someone to put them in for you. Check them out. They’re called Kurly Klips.
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blacks make up 11% of the population and whites make up 75% just on the math alone how can we purchase more weave. I really don’t care where the hair comes from synthetic or human. We need our own purchasing power and distribution power to bring the money into our community. Not to give it to some other racwho knows absolutely nothing about my hair texture… I can relate to kurly klips who is trying to create something for our hair…this or redundant…
Do you see any white girls wearing a weave that’s not there hair texture? These whites and Asians you mention just use extensions to make there hair longer or fuller (enhancing what they already have). Plus there extensions are close to there own hair texture as possible. Can’t say the same for black women. There whole head is covered with a weave that is not there hair texture. It is either bone straight or wavy. Not there true curly/kinky texture. When it comes down to it, it shows you what a lot of black women prefer to be on there head instead of there own natural god given texture.
I will check them out! Sounds like something fun to try on ‘date night’.
this is in response to chinamountain. let me turn that question around for you in another light. so far as i can tell, white women are the only ones who utilize tanning beds. so so far as pure math goes, being that white people make up like little more than fifty percent of the population, how can it be that they almost exclusively drive tanning sells? i think you might need another argument. i promise you that if black women all said they wouldn’t buy weave anymore, weave sells would take a maaaajor hit and all those asians depending on the industry would have to pick up another trade fast. likewise, if all the white girls who tan said they would embrace their naturally relatively pale skin, i promise, tanning salons would disappear with a quickness. it’s verrry easy for a single demographic to drive sells of one commodity or other.
i agree that we don’t need to be dependent but if we’re looking to be independent as it pertains to wearing fake hair, then the answer is going to lie solely in our ability to manufacture synthetic hair that looks like our own. now THAT is doable, but it would also require for black to embrace a more realistic, attainable ideal of beauty (read: not the euro standard).
i agree with you that kurly klips has a great idea going, and i think that the hair in the picture she’s posted looks gorgeous! i would love to see this idea developed further, as a matter of fact.
Let’s see… how many white girls have I known that have worn a weave *crickets* ONE girl who had it done by her black girlfriends and then only had it in for one week of her life.
How many white women do I know that live on hair weaves *crickets*
How many black women do I know who live on hair weave… hmmm I’d say it’s pretty common and I think I can say it is most.. Imma go with 3 out of 5.
I’m still in school and most of the girls with perms DO NOT have “good hair” or hair that looks good permed (aka perm burned) so most of them weave it up or have to live with perm burned hair (aka not shiny, flowy, silky)
A few heat style and it does tend look better than permed hair but I think it really depends the hair type. Because one of the girls who heat styles her hair DOES NOT moisturize it properly, uses stripping shamppoos and only sprays mineral oil loaded oil sheen on it yet it looks aka “good hair” but she doesn’t have “nigga hair” as she calls it due to being part native american. I know girls with “perm burned” hair who take better care of it but just happen to get the bad end of the stick. Just goes to show you can’t judge the health or care of someone’s hair by it’s appearance.
Why is kinky clips getting so many thumbs up? Weaves are deplorable in any form. I wish the very conception of them would disappear from the face of the Earth. Man invented weave. NOT GOD.
I’m over this. I wasn’t there when the pastor made this statement, so my criticism should be taken with a grain of salt, as context is important, but:
1.Not all black women are broke. For many of us, buying weave doesn’t mean not paying our bills or not feeding our kids. Believe it or not, some of us *gasp* can afford weave the same way we can afford clothes, shoes, and makeup. And weave comes in a variety of prices. Not saying that those women who spend outside their budget don’t exist, but…let’s not let the media and stereotypes justify judgment of all black women. You can buy weave and pay your bills, too. It’s not life or death lol.
2. This pastor’s assumption is pretty silly. Weave is worn by women of all races for a plethora of reasons. As a college student who is premed (i.e. VERY busy), my hair is either in a natural updo or in a weave 95% of the time I’m in school. Why? My hair thrives when left alone and weave is a great protective style; I do like to change it up and I don’t have time to play with my hair for an hour every morning. I could flat iron or dye my hair and worry about color and heat damage just to switch things up, OR I could put a weave in and wear a straight look or different hair color without the risk of damage. And I often wear kinky curly weaves that resemble my own hair exactly….except I can place all the manipulation and wear my hair down everyday with a kinky weave. If I try that with my own fine hair everyday, my hair will surely not be happy or retaining length. I’m BSL, and I can honestly say that’s due to lack of manipulation with the help of natural updos (with my ends tucked away), and YES, weave! Don’t forget about transitioners who use weave to help them deal with 2 textures, etc. I love my natural hair and me wearing weaves during the school year has NOTHING to do with me hiding it. All in all, it is NOT that serious.
3. In the case of women who ARE hiding behind their weaves, I think the pastor took a poor approach in placing all the blame on them. Why did hair straightening/ wigs/ weaves become such a huge part of our culture to begin with? Right: fear of discrimination in the workplace, fear of not finding a partner, fear of not fitting into SOCIETY’S expectations. I LOVE my natural texture, but you wouldn’t BELIEVE some of the ignorance I’ve encountered in the workplace, around my “friends”, by men I’ve dated, and by complete strangers. If there are women selling their souls to buy weaves, it’s because society has made it a priority to have hair that looks a certain way. The pastor could’ve focused on addressing both the women in these situations AND the people who have supported our narrow view of beauty.It’s a two-way street. But instead he stereotyped these women as wanting to be fake. To all the women on here saying that a white woman wearing weave is not the same thing as when a black woman wears it, you are right; it is not the same thing. White women with straight hair will never turn on the TV and see their natural hair being presented as “rebellious”, “unkempt”, “wild”, “exotic”, “different”, or “unprofessional”. So to blame black women for our culture of rejection of our natural beauty is to only look at part of the picture. That conversation also involves a discourse on hundreds of years of imperialism, racism, oppression, discrimination, and dehumanization.
As a Christian, I feel that it is important to stick to the word and to be fully SURE that modern-day applications of the word are accurate. Black hair is just TOO complex and multifaceted to stick one label and analysis on it…This pastor should have been more careful to make sure that his message is truly from above or just his own personal bias and misunderstanding of a topic.
I know my response is long. I was just disturbed by this pastor because, while I think his intentions were good, it reminded me a lot about Don Lemon’s comments about black people needing to pull their pants up and not litter in order to be progressive as a people….Telling young black men to pull up their pants and not to litter is just a distraction from the real issues of racism and oppression and a way to blame black people for the injustices put upon them. Likewise, if there are women who hide behind weaves because of low self esteem and are simultaneously struggling financially, telling black women that wearing weaves is the root of their insecurities and financial problems ignores the much bigger culprits of such problems…Weave is only on the surface of the issue.
while i agree with what you have said so far as focusing on the issue, in your example, of black men not pulling up their pants and littering is a distraction from the real issues that plague our community that you enumerated, i think there is a lot of merit to examining not only those issues that stem from racist attitudes, but also to the climate of ignorance to which the pants issue speaks (on our end) and our own role in creating it and fostering it- even so far as embracing it, horror of horrors.
i can criticize the dominant culture for stereotyping my son if (over my dead body) he rolls up into a job interview with his pants so far below his buttocks he’s tripping over them (i actually witnessed with my own eyes one young man’s pants fall completely to the ground in front of me. and yes he was outside in broad daylight. if that’s not pitiful idk what is.), or i can do my part to make sure to counter the mental disease, as i see it, that would possess him to ever think that trend was cute or acceptable in the first place. heck, I wouldn’t hire someone who dressed like that. why would someone else? i feel like if you can’t even be UN-trifling enough to pull said pants up, why would i accuse a white person of racism for feeling like that same person will be too trifling to work responsibly on the job, too trifling to adhere properly to the dress code, too trifling to represent my company the way he/she agreed to in the contract he/she signed at hire, assuming we even make it to that point.
i can’t blame the dominant culture for that and at some point black people should step up and accept responsibility for their own ills. white people never told us to carry those prison trends outside the prison cells and make it into a trend, infecting latter generations. they never made us blow it up into a hip hop culture statement that only black folks seem to embrace (and wannabes from other races, though thankfully, they be few.) i think that in this day and age, while racism is a hindrance and obstacle, it’s still no contender to the bigger obstacle we create for ourselves in that we do not value education, we glorify and revel in foolishness and decadent entertainment of our own making and which degrades us, we have relatively little to no structure in our communities (i’ll blame the white man for the origin of that, but after while, the onus falls back into our hands, especially after so much time passes. are we gonna continue blaming him into eternity and beyond???), etc. etc. it goes on and on in this vein.
contrast this with other peoples who are poor, if not more so, than we are financially, in opportunity, etc, and you’ll find that the opposite tends to be the case for most groups of this distinction, even in areas affected adversely by colonial occupation. now of course i acknowledge that the racism which blacks have endured from whites knows no equal and i don’t think there’s been equivalent in the entire history of mankind, honestly, or at least within the record of history, but c’mon. the black family and black emphasis on values and education actually used to be sound and a chief component of the progress for which we strived back during civil rights. somewhere along those lines we lost that sense of pride, and this is where i think we share at least as much blame as the white man- no one can make you surrender your commitment to the welfare of your offspring, which is what we forfeit every time our kids go to schools and misbehave (if they go at *all*), women and men constantly have babies with no regard for the importance and place of sound parenting, our young men end up in jails/prison over drugs. enlightenment exists where we refuse to accept excuses, especially if they be of the same, played-out tune.
i agree that our hair and features in general are not held up as the standard and that white women will probably never have to know what it’s like to wear our shoes, and i get that they’re the ones that control the media, but that’s where i have to blame the black family. maybe i was fortunate (and maybe it’s why i can’t relate) in that i grew up in a family that didn’t place any import on the kink or lack thereof of one’s hair, or the complexion of one’s skin. but is this type of foundation truly so rare in our community? and if it is, then i ask, who are the main ones promoting it?
maybe there are some here who can honestly say they faced discrimination from white peers regarding their hair texture, but from what i read on this site and others like it the vast majority of our negative experiences and associations stem from nowhere else but the home. can we really, honestly, go on blaming white people for THAT? when do we step up and take control of our own reality?
ultimately the question is at what point do the ignorant become deserving of the pitfall that belies them as the result of their own, well, ignorance?
i contend that the weaves and all the flak that comes along with them are merely the consequence thereof.
But for real…..how many black men ACTUALLY show up to a job interview wearing their pants low? Not saying that those men don’t exist, but I have never seen it. The men in question who do in fact wear their pants low do it in the comfort of a mainly social or casual type of setting….Never in my life have I seen tons and tons of black going to the workplace with pants below their knees…Wearing pants low is comparable to wearing bell bottoms or mullets back in the day; it’s a youthful sign of protest….Don Lemon used a caricature of black men to blame them for their own issues, and it was wrong…Black men sagging in the workplace happens as often as, say a black woman wearing a short, sparkly club dress out on an interview. Maybe someone has done it, but it doesn’t happen (nor has it ever been culturally accepted in our community) as often as the media would have you believe. I’m not for enabling. But to put blame solely on such individuals in question is to ignore a very important factor for why such phenomena exist. This article is a very good read to help give perspective of what I’m talking about: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jesset9/don-lemon-and-the-failure-of-respectability-politics
I appreciate your response, and i’ll admit you’ve made me think. after examining the article provided through your link, i’ve sampled this quote as the frame upon which i stake my counterpoint (from the don lemon article on the politics of respectability). “But in order to become “respectable,” the targeted group is always encouraged to change. And the changes always, always require the targeted group to become more like the dominant group. If black people act more like white people, or women act more like men, or gays and lesbians act more like straight people, they’ll all see the same outcomes. But the underlying goal of this is to stop being “different.” Act “normally,” and you’ll be treated normally, but if you step outside those boundaries, it is your fault and your fault only.”
i think that this quote takes a lot of generalized concepts and separate issues for examples of the overall point the author makes, but the fault i find with it is this:
why is it considered “acting white” or surrendering one’s uniqueness to demand that people get their act together?
whatever bias i acknowledge i may have against the trend of saggy bottoms, i still maintain that the same culture of ignorance out of which saggy baggy bottoms emerge the posterchild is the self same that promotes all of the other problems that have plagued our community from as long and far back as we can remember. in that article the author pointed out that whites, too, have high rates of out-of-wedlock births, and that varying by region blacks may have reduced or comparably lower rates of high school dropouts than whites, etc.
but that’s the equivalent of me saying, for example, that i am justified in leaving my children at home to tend to themselves if my neighbor and everybody else is leaving their young children at home alone too (assuming this didn’t constitute a legal violation in our hypothetical situation). while i get that life is just one big mess pot of relativity and comparisons, going so far as to say that most of our existence is defined upon a threshold of comparability, the issue at hand is one that requires for the afflicted (us as a people) to step outside of and beyond the realm of that constant need we feel to compare ourselves to whites, especially where doing so only provides us with an excuse for why we’re not doing better rather than an incentive to actually do better.
yes, in some states or counties blacks may have lower dropout rates than white, but does that mean that any dropout rate should be tolerable? when will we challenge each other and our kids to press on in the face of difficulty?
of course every culture group has its share of illegitimacy (i mean no offense, as i am using the traditional term for out-of-wedlock, and i myself happen to be the product of one such a union), but does that make it any less contemptuous on our part if we continue to bring children up in broken homes and explain away the crisis affecting our youth by asserting “but white mothers have children out of wedlock too!”? as if that’s quality justification. at the end of the day, we are still the ones doing ourselves and ours a bigger disservice than white people by themselves could ever do.
and even if i were to play devil’s advocate and say that white people to this day (and i’m purposely, for the sake of argument, exaggerating that which i think you were trying to convey) are to blame and forever will be for what has befallen our community, my question for you is “so what”?
i don’t mean “so what” in the sense of, “i don’t care”.
but i mean, where do we go from here?
being the subjugated culture means we probably aren’t going to change the dominant culture. realistically speaking. so i think that the place where we can inspire and realize the most profound change is in our own community. taking back those areas over which we should never have relinquished control in the first place. taking responsibility for, yes, our respectability. not so that white people can respect us. hell, who cares what they think. though, on a sidenote, and a sarcastic one at that, it’s not like they control only all the western world. lol
though some might argue that that limelight is reserved for the jews. but i digress.
it’s so we can instill respect in ourselves. the problem, and what i think i was trying to express in my earlier posting, is that we as a people do not respect ourselves. and that’s why we, yes, sag our pants, and spend all this money on weaves, weaves weaves that look nothing like our hair, and why we enter jails and prisons over absolute and utter foolishness, and why we dropout of school at the rates we do and rear children in unstable homes and generally hold education in the lowest of regard, etc. etc. etc.
that’s not to say other races don’t do it, but my contention is that when black people do it, it’s worse. because we do it, overall, at higher rates, and most importantly, what we do and don’t do affects us, and all the more so if it’s negative.
“I’m not for enabling. But to put blame solely on such individuals in question is to ignore a very important factor for why such phenomena exist.”
i think that putting sole blame on any one group is counterproductive on the whole. it’s not conducive to long term sustainability or even to recovery in the short term. the phenomena in question exist because black people have lost their sense of self respect as a collective. it’s an identity crisis from which we all suffer in some way. to regain that sense of respect is not a journey for white people to make for us- it’s one we have to make on our own. and we can start by defining for ourselves that which is respectable, and also hold ourselves accountable for discriminating in the favor of progress. we should take it upon ourselves to purge out from among us negative behaviors, ideas, ideals, associations, etc, and remain true to establishing this unique identity toward which we strive as a people to the end of uplifting our community. doing otherwise will get us nowhere…which is where we seem to be now.
CJ this is a very good analysis of this foolishness. It was very well said. I am fascinated by the various comments made by different ones. However, the bottom is, “the pastor should stick with what God gave him. I am a Christian and I know that God is not giving us messages about 300.00 weaves. We need to be careful to stick with God Word. It is safer that way!
Why does this not have more votes up?
I don’t think it matters what hairstyle you wear. I am natural and I love being natural. On the other hand, I am not going to judge those who have relaxed or weaves, that is their choice. I have worn my hair relaxed, in braids, weaves and now natural. My preference is natural hair.
I may be in the minority here, but i pretty much agree what all the pastor said. There’s so many black women i see who are insecure about their hair and cover it with straight or less kinky weave. This is coming from personal experience though.
This pastor is doing too much and his focus is not where it should be. What does a woman’s hair have to do with Jesus. I’m saying this and I am natural. People’s priorities be all over the place
Well anyway how bout them YANKEES??:-)
“I don’t want my members so focused on what’s on their heads and not IN their heads”…
Hilarious that this pastor is apparently VERY focused on what’s ON their heads and NOT IN THEIR HEADS.
Hypocrisy at it’s best…
Last time I checked the phrase “come as you are” applies to all. Not everyone who enters the church will be in the image the pastor wants. You can preach beauty and self-love without policing what women are wearing on their heads. Is the pastor going to wake up in the morning or stay up late at night and do every woman’s hair? NO. Nor can he control the women of the church. Encourage the congregation to tithe but don’t start policing everyone’s purchases. That’s not his job.
white women process harder than any other race. they blow dry, flat iron, color, straighten, spray, relax, and start all over again till they r just about bald when they get older. criticize them for promoting false image too. whole beauty industry was created for them to minimize nappy frizz and curl. what false image? (sarcastically) the american way IS to follow the next trend whether it is beneficial to black community’s health and well being or not.
Well if you don’t like weave don’t wear it. At my grandmother’s church we gave 50 cents. That collection cam around like 4 different times. Nuh-uh that is too many times to be giving when you are already living paycheck to paycheck with 7 grand kids in your 2 bedroom house for the summer.
In the UK, most women wear straight, wavy or loose curled weaves and they are mostly horrible, plastic looking, unrealistic and horribly done unlike the weaves of women in the US. I don’t see women wear type 4 weave but it was my understanding that that type didn’t last long and I suppose women don’t want to pay high prices for something that won’t last. If I only ever saw the weaves of women in the US,I would think that although its fake, it looks good and that’s all dandy but the way people wear them here is just awful. Even white women have awful extensions that look like candyfloss and Barbie hair. When cared for weaves do look nice but I rarely see good ones compared to the women that wear natural hair over here.
The only way this pastor can know about his congregations finances (unless someone has gone to him personally) is based on their tithes and offerings. He must feel like they are not giving accordingly. But some people don’t give because they may feel the money is not being used ethically or for the greater good. What kind of suits is this pastor wearing? What kind of car does he drive? Only the women who wear the weaves know why they wear them so I wish people would stop trying to act like they are omniscient and stop judging them! Worry about your damn self! And, it is really just a myth that women are paying all this money for weaves! I’m a stylist and they really don’t cost that much. Weave hair that is expensive can be used over and over again – just like someone’s expensive MAC make-up, just like those tailor made suits those pastors wear (has he taken a vow of poverty by the way) and just like all those shoes and sneakers guys buy (when are people going to start criticizing guys for putting a bunch of money into sneakers?!!!)
The pastor said all that just to let you know he would rather that $300 in the collection plate or added to the “pastor’s love offering” instead. I go to church and I believe in natural beauty also. I feel that it is not my place or his place to tell anyone what to do with their money/hair. “God never told us to micro manage people” is a true statement. Just because I’m natural, relaxed, wigged down or weaved up doesn’t affect my relationship with God. When we start picking at small stuff like this (Christians and others), we are on the cliff of judging one another. When he should be focusing on saving souls and delivering the Good News, he’s worried about how women are wearing their hair. Glad I don’t attend his church because he’s on a soap box!!!
Why are we constantly condemning people who have self esteem issues? Telling a woman who wears weave that she does it because she has low self worth isn’t going to make anything better. Crucifying the black woman with the long blonde hair and blue contacts doesn’t help either. Doesn’t God love all of his children? What makes anyone think that because they don’t alter their own looks, that gives them the right to tell others what they can do? We need to be more focused on uplifting our people, not tearing them down.
I would like to add that every single Black Country that exists today has been affected by white ideals. Better yet, every single non-White Country that exists today has been affected by white ideals. And if whites hadn’t appeared in black countries, we would perhaps still be dressing in “tribal” gear.
Is tribal dressing bad? Absolutely not; I think most of it is beautiful. Human beings before considering themselves, Americans, Nigerians, French, Brazilian, Somalian, Korean, etc, were simply from this tribe or that tribe. And each tribe although similar had their own characteristics in the form of worship, food, and dress, etc.
However, since I am more “Western Jamaican American” than I am “tribal West African,” I am Black but my dress is Western. I choose to however, represent my roots in the way I wear my hair and in my jewelry adornments. Something my ancestors did so beautifully and still do today within tribes that still hold on to what is true to us.
Here are some images that I consider beautiful from various tribes of Africa.
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thank u for the pictures. love reminders of the beauty from whence i come. i wonder what kind of ceremony the beauty adorned in cowrie shells is dressed for?
I bet this pastor spends a lot of time and money picking out some very, very nice suits and shoes! When hen comes to church naked, then he can try to influence women on what to wear! Men are constantly telling women what to do! Get off it already! And doesn’t he know that hair can be (and is) bought in “natural” kinky textures! So it has nothing to do with women being hung up on European textures! His argument is weak!
This makes no sense. If he came to church naked he’d be arrested for indecent exposure. Don’t make this sound worse than it already is. The pastor is doing right by his flock, by telling it how it is. Do you want another race to say it for you? Your argument is weak, as the majority of black women do not wear kinky textures, this wouldn’t even be an issue if they were doing so.
God forbid I end up wearing straight hair weaves, let me pray!!
I will say this. He made a valid point in how crazy we as women are in regards to our hair. Struggling financially, but the hair is on point. Baby has no shoes on their feet, but my weave is laid! Really?!?! Priorities is the theme of that statement he made and I agree with him (this also goes or males who have tricked out cars, but not paying child support. I digress). I’m not saying women should look jacked up in the name of having food on the table, but moderation in cost and looking at where our money is going at certain times in our lives need to be taken into consideration. There are a lot of things that trump the importance of how our hair looks.
I’m not a person that pays a heap of money for stuff anyways, but I think that its none of his business what people use their money for. For the money that we do in the collection plate I better see something new on the church every time I go or I will wonder where the money is going.
I am a black women who wears natural hair. I’m not against weaves, I just don’t wear them, just my preference. I don’t do glue or thread because I just prefer to be natural. If someone else want to wear weaves, that’s none of my business. I do what works for me, you do what works for you. I understand the pastor’s point, however women should be able to wear what they want!!’
I’m not christian, I’ve never been to a church so I don’t know if talking about weaves at church is appropriate or not . But I think he’s being too radical. There are cases when weaves are just a hairstyle and others when it’s a sign of low self esteem. If you love your hair, want a little change and can afford a good weave that will look good , then go for it ! It doesnt make you a self hater ! Let black women LIVE for god’s sake ! Why are we the only women that is not allowed to do anything without getting criticized ? Yes , there are some black women who hates their natural hair and buys 400$ weave when she has nothing in their fridge, but that’s not the case of all black women ! So stop that anti-weave bullshit !
Why not take it a step further and let’s all walk around without clothes. After all we were not born with clothes either! When the pastors trade in their BMW’s for go carts then they will have the privilege to see us in all our natural glory.
A to the men. AMEN.
Really? Equating covering your naked body with clothes to covering the hair that grows out of your scalp ? Smh Wow, when did we become this sad and pathetic as a people?
From some of the reactions, you’d think the man demanded women to not wear hair hats when he simply suggested it AND made some damn valid points.
Black women are free to ignore the man and keep paying out of the ass for the “luxury” of wearing another race of women’s hair on their heads.
Black women are free to continue making up a minuscule part of the population while wasting errr spending BILLIONS hiding that grows for free.
Black women are free to play the denial and pretend game-“versatility” with a closet full of Russian, Malaysian, Brazilian anything but kinky.
Black women are free to have less than 50 dollars in savings (collectively) while spending thousands on…..hair.
Black women are free to pretend self hate issues are oh so rare among our people.
Black women are free to call anyone who dare call attention to issues they’d rather ignore any if the following: divisive, nazi, black police.
And lastly, black women are free to use the popular kids excuse, “they do it too”
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
– Arthur Schopenhauer
My sentiments exactly, wearing someone else’s hair isn’t the equivalent of wearing clothes… because not wearing clothes will have your ass arrested. Please stop with the ignorant arguments lol
@Sigh,
Brava! Ain’t that the truth, the whole truth and nothin’ but the truth! Preach, Girl!
There are so many other issues that matter more. The importance of saving yourself for marriage, not getting involved in the wrong crowd, how do handle someone being disrespectful to you, how to handle being in an abusive relationship, asking for forgiveness, etc. are all things you should and normally hear in a church. Real life problems. Was there a poll taken where the women that wear weaves in the church have low self esteem? What proof does he have of that? And if they do have self esteem issues, it’s his job to help them through The Word, not about specific hairstyles and how much they cost! Hair extensions/wigs have been around since the beginning of time. Does he think everyone in the Bible was wearing their real hair? Pharaohs?? C’mon! Does it really matter? A pastor shouldn’t make direct comments about the image of their congregation (especially about women if he’s a man) unless their attire is inappropriate for service. Is he going to tell the little old ladies to take off their wigs? That wearing heels must mean you’re self conscious about being short?
I just can’t bother with the women on this site anymore. You know why people are always like black folk can’t get along? It’s cause black folks are saying you got to do this that and the other to get along. How do we expect other cultures to see us as individuals when we can’t even accept that we as black people are all different. In one week I have seen arguements in comments on articles of interraicial relationships vs black relationships, weaves vs non weave supporters, whats next…an article to spark the light vs dark debate again. Black people are different just cause we arent even all the same color so why do you think we should all think and act alike.
Seriously, you are seriously correct. It’s like there is a barameter on how black you can be.
If you wear a weave then black patrol will come around and take your black card away. Don’t have light skin and 3c hair…not black enough. If you are natural and still press your hair straight..damn it you are under threat for losing your black card. The only way you can remain black is to wear your hair completely natural with no product in it to not “fool” anyone into thinking those curls are really curls that come out of your head or just the result of a special hair product or chemical. Absolutely no weaves, extensions, decorative combs, scarves, or accessories, after all it is not ‘natural”. Black women shouldn’t try to beautfy themselves with such things if she does she is trying to be white. No makeup, jewelery, perfume, bright garments or anything that takes away from your true naturalness. In fact…don’t comb your hair..you are manipulating it.
After all this recommendations…you are now considered “black enough”
Best. Comment. Ever!!!! Black police lol…that’s so real.
Preach!!
I am actually the very picture you describe but I’m a conservative voter so my black card got revoked ….eh
Dumbest thing ive ever heard and I’m a Christian.
“Our black women are getting weaves trying to be something and someone they are not. Be real with yourself is all I’m saying” said Pastor Aamir.”
So by his logic he shouldn’t be wearing any clothes or shoes cause he wasn’t born with any clothes and shoes, so he need to be real with himself and walk around Naked and not get his hair cut!
Who he trying to be by wearing clothes! Be Real! This man is Real Dumb!
I think the pastor is out of line for targeting weaves. I like having my hair weaved up in the winter because it protects my hair, not because I’m trying to “fool” anybody. I agree that it’s not financially sound to spend $300 on a weave if all your other financial houses aren’t in order, but attacking someone for their personal preference or style isn’t very loving or understanding. Holler at your congregation about building better finances and go to that message, not their looks. I used to be natural for 20 years and then decided I wanted a change. I don’t have beef with either side but I’d rather have a processed head and a natural mind than the other way ’round. Knowing and loving who I am in every iteration is better than changing who I am because others don’t like it or think it’s “unnatural”.
Delia you are right! The pastor needs to teach on finances and leave the weave alone. I say that this is a problem with his lack and not the weave!
I have a problem with this pastor voicing his opinion and using the vehicle of religion to force people who follow him into agreeing with his opinion. This is the very reason why I’m weary of organized religion. He is using a position of power in a bad way.
Not too long ago I read a comment on here posted by an African woman who said her pastor asked her if she was “mad” for wearing her hair natural and shamed her for having natural hair (if you don’t already know, some regions in Africa frown upon natural hair). In the end ladies, DO YOU!
I think there is a lot of truth in what he said. He has a lot of young parishioners. I have seen too many young ladies with what looks like a dead badger on their heads. Their wigs and weaves look horrible, and they think that they have to have all that extraneous hair on their heads to be attractive. Some women don’t know their own hair texture because their moms started relaxing their hair as very young children. They have been told that their real hair is nappy, ghetto and unattractive. These are the women he is talking to.
If you like weave and you can afford it, do you. If you only wear weave and you wouldn’t be caught dead wearing your real hair in public, you need to examine why. Our hair is beautiful, but we have to educate ourselves and our daughters to love ourselves and find the right techniques and products to grow it long and healthy. I don’t want my daughter to lust after long European/Asian/Indian hair to think she is beautiful. Her kinky, curly hair is unique and because of our ethnic mix of cultures, totally her own. Wear it with the same sense of pride. I would never forbid her from getting a weave or wig when she gets older. But I hope it is because she wants a break from styling her own long, thick mane.
Tired of the weave-shaming. I agree that it does have roots in white supremacy and self esteem issues but that doesn’t mean ALL weave is inherently bad.
This kind of black and white thinking is overly simplistic and only succeeds in marginalizing and shaming groups of women.
This pastor is promoting the idea that the content of a woman’s character is dependent on her hairstyle. This is dangerous and oppressive. For goodness sake, stop telling black women that their worth as human beings is dependent on how they wear their hair!
A $300 weave? Yeah right, that’s a student loan payment right there.
Is bashing women for wearing weaves really any different than bashing them for wearing their hair “nappy”? Sounds like that 20 something needs a lesson in money management to me.
The pastor said that most of the congregation is struggling financially. How would he know that? Are they asking for prayer for their finances? Are they asking for financial help from the church? If the answer is yes, then he SHOULD discuss the issue of wearing a weave that may be wreaking havoc on their finances. After reading some of the comments, I can appreciate that he may have had the conversation from a different platform than the pulpit, but I still think it’s a conversation worthy of discussing, especially if they are struggling financially.
Do you wear deodorant? Make up? Brush your teeth? Color your hair? How you choose to groom yourself is up to you. Hair is no different. If the pastor is commenting on finances then do that. Condem the single dad who hasn’t paid child support but has new shoes. The parishioner that is living pay check to pay check but drives a new car. Or taking up a special birthday offering so the First Lady can have a new LV purse when there are children in the congregation that don’t have a winter coat that fits. Don’t pick on weaves. I hope the pastor humbled himself and pointed out an area in his life that needs attention. I don’t remember Jesus coming to make us feel bad about our hair especially when we can afford it.
Exactly Carla!!!!
I think it’s really intrusive and shallow for a pastor to be worrying about people’s physical appearance at a church.
Very shallow! We have too many other problems happening rather than discussing weave. Is this church a cult? That is the impression I am getting! Waco Texas? My mind wanders back! Weave cannot be the real issue!
shout out to that pastor!!!!! thank you brother, for not allowing that FAKE SHIT to go unchecked. black women (the mother of alllllll mankind) has become so BRAINWASHED that she feels her most “BEAUTIFUL” when she look her LEAST natural!!!.
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Um…I see a bunch of problems here.
People are not born with clothes, earrings, bracelets, and excuse me it looks like in this pic the eyebrows are tweezed.
That not natural.
Will you take all that off?
Hair is just a small peice of the puzzle people.
I think the young lady was simply making a point that some black women feel the most beautiful when they look least like themselves. I kinda think she has a point. Clearly nothing wrong with adorning yourself-lipstick, earrings, necklaces, etc, this is clearly different from what I think she is referring to.
She sure can take off the jewlery and all her clothes too but posting naked pictures of yourself and walking around naked is deemed harmful to the eyes of many including children and its called indecent exposure which is illegal in many states. Stop being a dumb ass! If I could walk around naked I would! That is not the same as not wearing someone else’s hair!!
SAY THAT AGAIN PREACH
1 Peter is talking about the relationship between husbands and wives. I feel it’s an infringement of his position to tell women what they should or shouldn’t do. God has given us free will, and it’s an individual’s decision to decide what he/she wants to do with his/her hair.
then he shouldn’t be preaching at all if he can’t give an opinion on what ppl should/shouldn’t be doing. Isn’t that his job?
I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH WITH THE FAKE HAIR THAT YOU DIDN’T GROW. ENOUGH WITH BUYING THE HAIR INDIANS SHAVED OFF THEIR HEAD AND GLUING IT TO YOURS. GLORY!!!!!!!!1111 GLORY!!!!!!! ” HOW CAN YOU FIX WHAT GOD PUT HIS PAINT BRUSH ON” J.COLE GLORY !!!!!!!!
God bless this pastor; I heard somewhere the words ‘Speak truth to power’ and that may fit. We are all assaulted 24/7 with – essentially – propaganda that eliminates or denigrates anything to do with us, including looks and diet and history. Unaware of the factual proof of our excellence in world history, and trying to fit in, we adopt certain practices (skin lightening products on Nigeria, etc.)and we need to step up and deal with this Intellectual Warfare, as Dr. Jacob Carruthers taught. To learn more perhaps a reading of “Afrocentricity” by Dr. Molefi Asante would be enlightening. If you really want to ‘get down’, there’s the book, ‘Africa – the source of the major western religions’ by Dr. Yosef Ben Jochannan. Thus fortified, we may then be able to view why adopting ‘their’ beauty standards is sending a subtle message we may want to counter.
Robert I bet you are watching the ones with weave and your wife may need some help to.
Robert, you are watching the women with the weave, don’t fool yourself. You are intellectual idiot. You need to come down to earth and get with the program. First of all, are you a Christian/believer in Christ Jesus? If the answer is no, then that is the root of your problem. Forget weave and hair get saved! Jesus is soon to return! He will not come back for weave. Your heart must be right. Weave does not make your heart right. It is the person of the HOLY GHOST!
Those who are saying the pastor is wrong obviously don’t know the word! If you can read 1 Peter chapter 3 verses 1-5 and still feel that way, then get a load of 2 Timothy chapter 3 verse 16! It’s God’s way or no way people! The man is just reinforcing the standards set and NO-ONE can change God’s mind!
You need to do some studying of God’s word and not read it on the surface. If you belong to that church, you may be getting the wrong teaching.
The verse you quoted does not mean that one CANNOT outwardly adorn themselves, it means that God will consider what is IN YOUR HEART even if you THINK you are being quiet on the outside, don’t fool yourself.
Though I’m not sure if I completely agree with using the pulpit as a platform, I think those against this pastor’s stance and approach need to ask themselves, “Well, who else is going to speak up about it?” Many of the African American community are church goers and seek the church as a place not only for faith, but for an education (of sorts) and leadership.
While I believe that, possibly, there should be more of an open dialogue (instead of preaching to the entire congregation whose only response is a smattering of affirmations), it’s not a bad thing for this pastor to at least call this practice into question. The women of the congregation can choose to make their own decisions with their hair, but it doesn’t hurt to hear someone else’s views, even if the platform is controversial.
BGLH could you delete my first version and put this this one please. Thank you.
Hmmmm…I don’t know. I agree with the pastor somewhat, although I think that it is not his job to speak on hair issues from the pulpit. Aren’t pastors supposed to speak on Biblical things when at the pulpit? Weaves are not spoken of in the Bible. He can however as a man concerned for his sheep, speak on it in his “chamber.”
Nevertheless, I wanted to say that I know PLENTY of girls who you would never see without a weave attached to their heads. One girl especially, I hadn’t seen her hair in about 5-6years-I saw her not so long ago and she was weave- less, need-less to say I was SHOCKED. I remember once when she was going on a “casting” call-something on Craigslist- and the person asked her if she was wearing extensions and asked her to take them out before she showed up. She never went to the casting call. I thought that was very telling on how she feels without the extensions.
Subsequently, I do think black women rely too much on weaves to feel pretty. Almost every black female entertainer wears weaves or wigs. Almost all black female news anchors wears some form of weave, wig, or hair attachment-and yes the non-black ones do too, but at least it looks like their own hair. Almost every black girl I see on the streets wears weaves. That is a problem. And once again I do not think we can equate black women obsession with weaves with the “white girls wear it too,” mantra, because again, the hair is more fitting to what their hair looks like.
Also, black women get very fascinated with other black women who have naturally long hair. “Is that all your hair?” It always seems like a shock for them to see naturally long black hair-and for the moment, I’m putting permed hair in the natural category here. Why? In my opinion, black women are very insecure when it comes to their hair, their skin tone and their features. Unfortunately, it is these three things that are the markers for what is considered beautiful in women.
All women like to feel beautiful on the outside. Not one race is different when it comes to this. Black women have the added burden of our hair not being the right texture for what is considered beautiful however. We have the added burden of our skin not considered to be the right skin tone; and our features not considered to be of the “fine” quality. What’s a woman to do?
In my opinion, natural hair-not permed hair-is the MOST beautiful on black women. Not only does it literally look like a crown on top of our heads-not trying to imply anything here, I just think that-but it suits our features better in my opinion. The hair compliments who we are in every sense of the word. And although most black women on the Western side of the world is far far removed from where we come from originally, we still carry a large part of our cultural “black-ness” with us. You can see it by the way we dance, by the food we love to eat, by the way we dress-blacks love to adorn themselves. I could go on and on, but I can’t. You guys might not read it.
Furthermore, now that there are more black women going natural and realizing that natural hair can grow, grow, grow, it makes it all the more beautiful. Personally, my hair is still in the TWA stage, but it’s growing and I can’t wait for it to become a big fro-hair jewelry, accessories for my neck-I do this already, beautiful dresses that compliment my new aesthetic, my mind cleansed of negative images-I will always have insecurities as a woman. This I think is normal. I am not made of stone. However, I can’t wait for my hair to be a big fro. I will wear it with pride.
He did not make this statement from the pulpit of his church, this is a small portion of an interview that he did with America Preachers.com. Finally what is so wrong with a pastor of a church to telling his female members that they should love and accept their natural selves?
Because he doesn’t know why each individual woman is wearing a weave. He is making a general judgement and he is not to judge. Did he tell the old ladies to take off their wigs or their big ridiculous church hats?! Did he tell the men to not shave or cut their hair and embrace their natural selves?! Some people just don’t like weaves and look for any platform or soapbox to spout their bs!
What you said makes sense until you start giving white women a pass for wearing weaves because it looks like their own
There is no problem with me if black women wear it sparingly as a protective style but if a black women wears it to emulate other race women then it becomes an issue that she has within herself
Just because the hair doesn’t look natural it means she shouldn’t wear it? Why is it white women get acceptance on everything they do by tanning their skin to dyeing their hair..most white women do not need hair extensions but people seem to think they should get a pass because it looks like theirs let’s deal with the facts that if it’s not their hair then just like some don’t think it right for black women,it shouldn’t be right for them.
This is nonsense. The fact that you disagree with weave has nothing to do with the Word. That has nothing to do with God. I’m natural but if I choose to blowout my hair and flat iron it that’s not deceptive, that’s the style I chose for my hair that day. Some of us natural sisters go to far trying to empress our desire for natural hair onto every other black woman. What about white or Hispanic women that wear extensions, wigs, or other hair pieces? What about dying our hair? Is that “deceptive” too? I say to each his own. That’s what makes us beautiful, being ourself even if its with a weave ponytail. We head down a dangerous path when we start mixing our personal feelings with the Word, especially when it’s preached as though it’s gospel…
YOU NEED TO RE READ THE ARTICLE LMAO
Amen sista! Tell it like it is! To each its own. It has nothing to do with the Word that God spoke! Read the Bible and keep it silent about your feelings.
I believe he’s right And i applaude him for speaking out.we got used to the idéa that our natural haïr isnt acceptable!we find it normal! Those who have Nothing going on on the inside Will pût their focus on the outside,accept yoyrself the way God made u.$300 weave?!?!i would never!
Let me begin by saying that I am not at all religious and that I agree with mlank64 when she says that religion (and men) need to get up out of our business. HOWEVER – I DO agree with Mr. Aamir that weaves and hair straightening needs to GO. We are deliberately deceiving the people we work with and walk past every single day. Just like previous poster LBell said, there are actually people out there who thought Beyonce’s hair was real!!! SERIOUSLY?! I have NEVER met a Black person (who didn’t have a large amount of some other race mixed in) who had naturally straight hair. NEVER. So my argument against weaves is simply this: STOP LYING to your friends, family, co-workers, etc. You are deliberately deceiving them into thinking you are something that you ARE NOT.
…just my two cents
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Wearing weave is lying to your friends and family? I don’t know anyone born with ruby red lips, is wearing lipstick lying to your friends and family too? smh.
LA, I agree about the weaves as well, just the context in which the debate started is what turns me off. Just my two cents.
L.A. you need Jesus! That is it in a nut shell. It doesn’t matter whether you are natural, relaxed or weaved!
lil deb, you need to read a science book!!!
Are you breasts up and perky, then take that bra off. While you’re at, take those tight panties off and let your butt hang out. Oh, and your hair doesn’t naturaly grow back like that so take that band off your head. Is your torso red?, No. Then take that dress off! Do you get my point? Just because you don’t choose to do somethinf, it is not right to judge others!
Lol this is a dumb response you know why? Because I personally would have NO problem walking around naked and natural, I don’t wear any make up etc and I can style my hair with water… However it is illegal to be nude in public and my breasts sit up rather nice so no padded bras here, but it would be deemed indecent to walk around with my nips out. I love my body and all of us do not need artificial enhancements that society pushes on us but if you feel so strongly about it continue to use them just think of better replies next time lol
Hello? Weaves and straightening need to go??? That’s absurd. So, one day when I feel like I want to flat iron my hair ’cause I feel like wearing it straight, i can’t because I’d hate myself if I did that??? Girl, get the f outta here with that naturally nappy, hippie bullshit! YOU are the one who wants to embrace nature and be au naturale! Everybody doesn’t want to eat berries and wheat germ and no carbs! To other people who choose to wear their hair natural, it’s just “the way we wear OUR hair.” Ya’ll need to get on with this madness. YOU are the ones trying to control people. Not the weavologists, not the media, not White America. It’s YOU.
The only thing that I find excessive is the fact that he feels the need to tell me what I should or shouldn’t be doing with my hair.
Pastor, your job is to teach the word of God. That’s it. Listen, sis, you don’t have to like what I like. But don’t go around putting people against me– or creating this divide– because you don’t like what I have going on.
I’m tired of these arrogant people, men especially, who feel like it’s their natural duty to tell women what they can and can’t, should or shouldn’t, do. It’s really none of your goddamn business and none of your concern. I’m fully capable of thinking and making decisions that concern my body without your help.
Stop treating us like we’re children or mentally incapable of handling ourselves. Thank you.
Crack open your Bible before you tell a Pastor how to do his job!
Just because they are pastors does not mean they are always right! He is human, after all so he can learn too.
Wow, Althea, calm down girl. And do you really have to say gdamn, I mean really?? The pastor may be wrong but you don’t have to disrepect God’s name because you’re mad.
To each his own. Personally, I have a problem with wearing human hair that doesn’t belong to me–it just doesn’t feel right. However, I will put some Kanekelon hair in my head for a fuller bun 🙂 Everybody has their own reasons for doing what they do. Maybe it really is insecurity, maybe it’s just that person’s preference. No one can know what’s going on in somebody else’s head. And I don’t think it’s fair to say that every person that wears weave hates themselves and wishes they were white. That’s taking it to the extreme.
Hmmmm…I don’t know. I agree with the pastor somewhat; although I also think that it is not his job to speak on hair issues from the pulpit-aren’t pastors supposed to speak on Bibical things when at the pulpit? Weaves are not spoken of in the Bible. He can however as a man concerned for his sheep, speak on it in his “chamber.”
Nevertheless, I also wanted to say that I know PLENTY of girls who you would never see without a weave attached to their heads. One girl especially, I hadn’t seen her hair in about 5-6years-I saw her not so long ago and she was weaveless, need-less to say I was SHOCKED. I remember once when she was going on a “casting” call-something on Craigslist- and the person asked her if she was wearing extensions and asked her to take them out before she showed up. She never went to the casting call. I thought that was very telling on how she feels without the extensions.
Subsequently, I do think black women rely to much on weaves. Almost every black female entertainer wears weaves or wigs. Almost all black female news anchors wears some form of weave, wig, or hair attachemnt-and yes the non-black ones do too, but at least it looks like their own hair. almsot every black girl I see on the streets wears weaves. That is a problem. And once again I do not think we can equate black women obsession with weaves with “white girls wear it too,” because again, the hair is more fitting to what their hair looks like.
Also, black women get very fascinated with other black women who have naturally long hair. “Is that all your hair?” It’s always seems like a shock for them to see naturally long black hair-and I’m putting permed hair in the natural category here for empahsis. Why? We are very insecure when it comes to our hair and our skin.
All women like to feel beautiful on the outside. Not one race is different when it comes to this. Black women have the added burden of our hair not being the right texture for what is considered beautiful however. We have the added burden of our skin not considered to be the right skin tone. What’s a woman to do?
In my opinion, natural hair-not permed hair-is the MOST beautiful on black women. It literally looks like a crown on top of our heads-not trying to imply anything here. I just think that.
Natural hair suits our features better in my opinion. The hair compliments who we are. And although most of us on the Western side of the world is far removed from where we come from orginally, we still carry a large part of our “black-ness” with us. You can see it by how we dance, by the food we love to eat, by the way we dress-blacks love to adorn themselves and I could go on and on, but I can’t. You guys might not read it.
Now that a lot of black women now know that natural hair can grow grow grow, it makes it all the more beautiful. My hair is still in the TWA stage but it’s growing and I can’t wait-hair jewellery, accessories around ny kneck-I do this already, beautiful dresses that compliment my new aestetic, my mind cleansed of negative images-I will always have insecurties as a woemen. This I think is normal. I man not made of stone. However, I can’t wait for my hair to be a big fro. I will wear it with pride.
Well, you’re right. It’s a style, a fad that’s going around. And there have been fad’s before: the afro, the jerri curl, fingerwaves, mullet (lord have mercy). The list goes on. But, I mean, it’s what’s in style right now. A lot of people wear weaves because they see them look so nice on their favorite star or something. However, that doesn’t mean they absolutely abhor themselves. Again, it’s just something that’s going around. Not really a big deal in my opinion.
Wearing weave might just be a style and fad for some, but unfortunately it gets a little deeper than just a “fad”. If that were the case why are there so many black women that you will never catch without wearing a weave? Why are there so many black women who are completely disconnected from the hair that grows out of their heads? Why are there so many black women that pass me everyday and look at my natural hair like I’m doing something wrong (which is funny and sad at the same time). If its just a “fad” why do so many black women perm and weave up their little girls as soon as they start walking? I’m sorry, most but (not all) black women have negative feelings toward their natural hair because a long time ago we were taught the lie that our hair isn’t beautiful, and black women till this day believe that, even most naturals had to de-program and learn the beauty of their own hair. If its simply just a “fad” why are countless black women so disconnected and far removed from something thats as much a part of their being as skin, arms, and legs?
Well, maybe you only see them wearing weave because their real hair underneath is so badly damaged that they’re embrassed to show it? AND they haven’t a clue how to get it to grow back in properly? See, you DON’T know. That’s why you shouldn’t judge. You couldn’t possibly know what’s going on in every single woman’s mind who wears weave. So, why are you judging everybody and grouping everyone into the same category. What does the good book say about that? “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Read it…
Quel, judging has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact we can add your statement that some women wear wigs and weave because of damage and embarrassment to the list of reasons as to why I stated that wigs and weaves are deeper than just fads. Ok, why are there so many black women who are embarrassed of their hair? Why do so many black women have damaged hair? Why do so many black women not know how to care for their hair? This is far from a “fad” or coincidence.
LOVE WHAT YOU SAID
Thank you Tina, you tell the truth too, but people don’t like the truth sometimes.
Love your comment Nicole D, I agree completely!!
people STAY trying to take autonomy away from black female bodied people! and how in the fuck do you know how much a weave costs on the head of someone in your congregation? sounds like a way to other black women by their choices – choices that may or may not be linked to them living in a racist and sexist ass country with a taste for eurocentric beauty standards.
tl:dr stop telling black women what theyr’e doing with their body is wrong – when there’s no one lobbying against white women putting in fucking fusions/extensions.
I’m pretty sure that the women in his congregation have earned the right to self-expression, which is what extensions really boils down to. He needs to be more concerned with spreading the Word and teaching the flock to live that way, instead of judging. Jesus accepts my fro and my protective styles!
I don’t care who says it, it’s true. If you look in the mirror and want to look like someone else, something is wrong. Yes, we are constantly told that everything about us is wrong, but we have to be better than that and not let someone else dictate what our beautiful is.
Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t stand how we as black women have to put up with so much scrutiny over how we choose to wear our hair. So what if I want to wear my hair natural one day, wear braids the next, and a straight weave after that? I don’t think that means I have poor self-esteem. People read too much into things as simple as a hair style.
Totally agree! It has nothing to do with self-hate or low self esteem for too many women which is why people need to stop being so up and arms about this. There are too many REAL issues in the community that need to be addressed.
SO YOU SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH WEARING STRAIGHT HAIR THAT ISN’T YOURS THAT CAME FROM INDIANS THAT MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO LOOK LIKE A WHITE WOMEN?? YOU SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH WOMEN THAT HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEIR TEXTURE IS OR HOW TO TAKE CARE OF IT??//
Honestly, I don’t see a problem with wearing weave. If it comes from India, Cambodia, or wherever is not an issue. I would rather preserve my own hair underneath than have to subject my natural hair to heat styling. & about women not knowing what their real hair texture is or how to care for it, that’s a result of relaxers and heat damage. Weaves are a way to prevent damage to your own hair while still being able to achieve the styles you want.
It’s bad in the same way that asian women get operations on their eyes to look more European. It’s bad in the same way that white women risk getting melonoma by baking in the hot sun to get that rich dark skin many of us have naturally. It’s bad in the same manner that men put chemicals or get hair transplants for their male pattern baldness. How about white women injecting their lips to get what naturally comes to us beautiful black women. How about the butt transplants for fuller backsides. So the question I have is why put this kind of judgement just on Black women when all of us don’t look like we just came out of the womb. Can’t we live too.
Someone regardless of race and gender is trying to achieve what someone else has naturally…good, bad, or indifferent. I won’t spend too much time figuring out the motivation behiind what people do to their own bodies. I can not read minds so I have no place to judge someone else on why they do what they do. I have enough on my plate to watch my own actions and motivations. We live in a free country…just do you. The rest should mine their own d…n business.
Saw a lady use food stamps then walk over to the beauty supply store and buy $160 worth of hair! THAT’S when I have a problem. I also think the whole weave thing is getting out of hand. But, if it makes you feel good, rock on!
He needs to get a clue.. Next
I see what he is saying. People need to have priorities in life. How can someone say they are broke or they are going through hard times financially when they are able to put $300.00 or more worth of hair on their head that they don’t need. That money can be used to put food in the cupboards to pay bills to take care of the children. I mean if a person can afford to have $300.00 or more worth of hair and can still afford to pay their bills, eat well and take care of their children then go for it. But if your living hand to mouth then persons should re-think their priorities.
Absolutely!
does this make him a natural nazi?
It’s a pulpit, not his personal time to sound-off. What he approves or disapproves of is really nobody’s problem but his own–to conflate his authority as a supposed expert on scripture with his desire to dictate what anyone does with any part of their appearance is so arrogant I don’t have words for it. I don’t care what you think of weaves, this pastor is an obnoxious jackass.
Agree!
AMEN!
YOU’RE A JACKASS
Very Unnecessary your comment. Be more respectful.
From a standpoint of false image, why is weave singled out? Someone posted about make-up, but what about relaxers? Or support garments? False nails? If it’s truly about false image, then this can’t be an issue of picking one ‘image’ to preach about.
I get the financial argument about people not using their money for necessities rather than wants, but that is also a judgment on everyone’s part about something they would/wouldn’t do.
Yea but some weaves cost more that all those stuff combined.
True. My point is still if it’s about false images, all of those things alter a woman’s true looks.
It seems money was the main issue and people not prioritizing their spending and just used the weave as an example because they cost the most (out of all the other accessories). I would have thrown in designer clothes as well.
BUT IT’S SOME ONE ELSE’S HAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!! WEARING A TEXTURE THAT IS NOT OURS. STOP BRINGING UP EVERYTHING ELSE. MAKEUP DOESN’T COME FROM ANOTHER PERSON BODY. YOU PEOPLE DON’T GET IT
WRONG…again!!!! Some make-up comes from animal testing or straight from animals. Does that make you more genuine? I think not…but that’s besides the point. You have a problem not only with weaves, but, I’ve seen stupid comments from you Ms. TINA that shames naturals for not being natural enough. You are a troll and I can’t understand why you are still allowed to comment on here with your hate filled rhetoric and your “ALL CAPS” yelling.
with that kind of logic, we shouldn’t be able to donate organs either I guess
Or give blood
Deauna, you said it perfectly. Where does it end…fake nails, fake hair, make-up, jewelry, cosmetic surgery, hair removal, liposection. All of these things are used by all people of all races not just black women. We all present ourselves differently to the world to some degree. But, it is black women that usually get the brunt of condemnation and judgement. False images can incompass so many things physically and mentally weaves notwithstanding.
Why this women has a 300 dollar weave and she is on food stamps or don’t have enough money to feed her children is one example of a larger problem. Why are there black people driving a $30,000 dollar vehicle and still live in the projects???? I mean we can have endless discussions about finances and poor money management. But, to single out black women who wear weaves when the real focus should be on money management is a missed opportunity to address money management and priorties.
Mlank64 YOU and Deauna are right on point on This Topic. Rather than using This opportunity to talk about money management, finances and making BETTER FINANCIAL DECISIONS he chose to project his Personal feelings & opinion on women wearing weaves–attacking black women for doing something that is a part of todays society in all races. THE PROBLEM IS $300 weave while struggling financially and the bad spending habits of the men in the congregation as well-very poor choice. He went about it the wrong way. There are women who install 2-pack total $30 weaves themselves.
I’m with you Bree! If you are struggling financially, then why is there a $150-$300 weave on your head? It must be some dialogue about it.
*sigh*…the sentiment is nice, but he went about it COMPLETELY the wrong way. If his congregants are having issues prioritizing the way they spend, then he needs to start talking about finances with everyone, male and female. If the women in his church are oppressed because of the way society views them, he should create an environment where they don’t feel judged about their appearances, weave or not. That also means talking to everyone in the congregation, not just the women.
I just, I mean just blogged about this very same topic a few days ago. I hate to say it, but he has a good point. Read more at Mo*********@******ot.com
You know. He has a point, most people wearing these extravagant extensions cannot afford it. A lot of women DO suffer from low self esteem from not accepting what we really look like and who we really are, I applaud BGLH for posting this article and for the pastor for being brave enough to say stop with the foolishness.
I agree there are wonen out there with liw self esteem but for many It’s not about low self esteem (more women than you think) It’s about modern day style and What’s Now. Women who are Natural wear weaves all the time sometimes as a protective style; A LOT OF TIMES just to change things up a bit from Sew-In, Crochet …etc. all while criticising women who wear weaves.
Typo: low
I’m not particularly religious, so my response will probably be biased and piss people off but I don’t care. I don’t like when I hear someone (especially a man) from the pulpit admonishing women for what they wear or don’t wear. He probably wants the young lady with the $300 dollar weave to spend it more on his salary. Religion is getting into too many areas and people need to start thinking for themselves and not relying on religous institutions or person(s) with obvious agendas to tell them how to act and or behave.
Oh wow,can you people stop throwing every pastor into the Money Hungry Category?You must of had a bad experience with church or members of it.Anyway I don’t think he would of address this problem if most black women wore weaves that matched their real natural hair(would of been more difficult to distinguish) instead of some other race hair,then he couldn’t talk about their financial problems and honestly not every religious institutions or persons sway other people.Some people do need more help than others even if they realize it or not.
Money hungry pastors? I wish that was the only thing wrong with these pastors. But, I digress. The only experience I had with church is growing up and watching for a good part of my life one pastor after another take advantage of the simple minded and vulnerable of their congregation and fleece them into spending what little money they have on them (pastors). When more than half your congregation is on some type of social services be it food stamps and or welfare and the pastor is riding around in a Lexus…something is wrong with that picture. Too bad you can’t figure that out. What women wear on their head is none of his d…n business. Unless he personally knows their financial situation he should stick to whatever nonsense he spouts on a weekly bases from the pulpit. I’ll repeat….learn to think for yourselves. Not everyone that has Rev. in front of their names means you should suspend your critical thinking. In fact, you need it the most when you’re dealing with the clergy. If this is the type of help people are getting from the church…I feel very sorry for them.
(putting on my Spock ears) Fascinating…I’m just going to drop a couple of tidbits here rather than write a long essay:
– Certain preachers were doing the same thing over a hundred years ago except they were preaching against black people straightening their hair period. “Hair Story” (Byrd, Tharps) is just one book that discusses this.
– African diasporan hair culture cannot be compared with anybody else’s hair culture, past or present. No other race of women is dealing with the kind of cultural baggage black women deal with when it comes to their hair choices. Our history affects our hair choices whether we’re aware of it or not.
– Look what just happened with Beyonce’s haircut. Folks really thought all that long hair grew out of her scalp. Several times in the past I have said to whites and others: “The vast majority of black women DO NOT have naturally straight hair growing from their scalps.” If there are people who think that my saying that constitutes betrayal or “airing dirty laundry,” they should ask themselves: What exactly is shameful about the TRUTH?
All of this is to say: He has a point. However, centuries of cultural programming isn’t going away anytime soon…
The reason why most black women do not have long hair is because of over processing and too much weaves causing their hair to break off.
You’re tight but it’s Not most. It may seem that way if you don’t live around a lot of black women with long hair. We all speak from experience. I grew up around many black women (friends & family) with hair pass their shoulder & down their backs-processed or natural. YES Natural Hair is nothing new… It’s just that more women have gone natural now & we have social network and media attention.
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I wish there was a way to edit comments after posting.
So why do most natural women I see have short hair..sometimes it’s just genetics..most people that are clued up know how to chemically process their hair and maintain it after,their are many black relaxed women with long hair and also the same women who are able to wear a weave whilst ensuring her hair is maintained underneath.
I didnt have baggage dealing with my hair. I keep hearing people refer to us black women as a whole.
Yes I experience things all black women tend to experience , but you know what I am an individual. I make my own decisions. I have my own mind, my own reasonings. I experience things differently than the next black woman.
Some black people do the same thing other cultures do which is generalize. Why should I limit what I can do because certain black folks feel uncomfortable. Heck folk feel uncomfortable when I wear my natural hair too.
If you want to speak of cultural baggage what about christmas. It was originally a pagan holiday for worshipping the sun people would make their kids pass through the fire as sacrifices. Yet the church doesnt mind people spending their money for the celebration of christmas.
So are you saying we are going to pick and choose what baggage we hold onto? Are you going to tell every black women how they should be? Im sorry but that sounds just like colonism to me.
There is a difference between preaching and trying to help someone, then there is pushing your ideas and wants on people. Many dictators in history have done this.
Every culture and I mean every culture has baggage and history.
Exactly Lbell, my thoughts exactly. Although I don’t understand why he is talking about this and what this has to do with a person’s salvation, I do agree that women (all women) can sometimes place too much emphasis on the physical and not enough on what’s inside. Let’s face it, there are some sisters who will avoid exercising and just plain sweating because they ‘re afraid of messing up their hair, which is plain dumb, but then we wonder why we lead in all kinds of illness and in obesity rates.
It would appear, to some black women, that it’s more important that their hair is fine, than that they have food to eat, or that they pay the rent/mortgage.
They might be hungry, but at least their hair looks good.
For me, that’s insane.
The pastor should perhaps ask questions, such as, what is more important, their hair, or their children eating?
If he has too, ask questions. Especially if they are struggling financially.
But, honestly, you can’t tell people.
I have to disagree with you. You can tell persons what to do but you can’t force them. What does a paster or preacher or minister do at church? He tells persons how to live their lives as a Christian, how to become more Christ like etc. A pastor doesn’t ask you anything. He tells you and those who want to listen and follow will do so. The vast majority don’t however. But in essence the job of a pastor/preacher/minister is to guide to the lost sheep to a path of righteousness not to tell persons what they want to hear. That’s why I don’t really go to church because too many people in the Church say they want to go to heaven but they don’t want to do the things to get there and live a double life. Holy on Sunday and Evil the rest days of the week. SMH.
Completely agree with you,wether this man is a man of God he is making judgments,the bible says that do not judge,nowhere in the bible does it God or Jesus judge anyone.
Even if he felt this way he should have kept it to himself
So far I don’t see any problem with wearing weaves cuz if weaves are bad so what about make ups? but my problem is wearing another person’s hair especially a dead person’s hair?? My sisters from Africa and Caribbean knows, if someone wants to curse or kill you by using witchcraft (voodoo) the will ask him to bring your dirty close, nails or hair. This means your hair is a part of you and your hair is you. From a spiritual point of view I’ll say, wearing someone else hair means, you are carrying and sharing all the spirit behind the hair owner (all curses and blessings).
Hair is hair. You can’t be cursed or killed by witchcraft if you are blessed, if you believe in Jesus Christ. No weapon formed against you shall prosper. God will protect His children. Awesome breakdown by Bishop T.D. Jakes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcEoWkIvk8M
Instead of disapproving weaves, I think the Texas Pastor should have (or may have…we don’t know, we didn’t hear the whole sermon) took a loving stance encouraging people to use wisdom when making choices. If you have a choice between styling your hair and keeping a roof over your head, the choice should be clear. But these days, smh.
WEARING SOMEONE ELSE HAIR IS DISGUSTING
Most of us are wearing something or eating something that came from another being if you think about. You think wearing someone else’s hair is disgusting as you eat that fried chicken and consume all that sugar and who knows what else. Honestly, the cloths you wear comes from a dead animal or silk worm. Where the hell do you think most of our food comes from, and yet you have a problem with something on goes on top of your head and not think twice about what goes in your body. Enough of the judgement..let women be who they choose to be. Don’t need no two bit preacher and a bunch of ignorant folks to tell me how to live my life.
I agree with you, but also we cannot see danger and expose ourselves to it knowing God will protect us, maybe He’ll, but the bible also says…
“The sharp man sees the evil and takes cover: the simple go straight on and get into trouble” <>
Nowadays Christians are the ones with all kind of problems and diseases, as if God no longer hears our prayers, even though we are the firsts running after troubles.
Christians are the light in the world our job is to shine and show the way. We are leaders not followers, the world shall copy us not the opposite way.
Blessings!
I think you need to fast forward to the 21st century. The bronze age is over.
I’m being old school, because I’m talking about curses and witchcraft?
Please ignore my comment if you are not a believer, but if you are one, you should know why you believe in Jesus. We believe in Christ to be set free from all curses and condemnations. We pray to get power to overcome the power of the enemy either witchcraft or any other evil power.
Now let me fast forward to the 21th century…
Would you voluntary wear some else teeth or nails?
I know I’m being gross, but that’s reality. Being in the 21th century doesn’t mean we have to accept all rubbish that is offered to us.
Fact there’s nothing new under the sun, what happened before Christ is happening today.
Be blessed my beloved
I totally agree with you. But if I’m not mistaken the hair doesn’t come from dead people. There are hair farms all over seas and these women are paid to grow their hair and then cut it and shipped to merchants. That’s seems to be the process that I’ve been told.
THAT’S NOT ANY BETTER
There is freedom of speech. The pastor has the right to advise his congregation in whatever way he feels like. At least, it doesn’t seem like he stated it as a rule.
It is left to the congregation to either take it or leave it.
“right to advise his congregation as he pleases” Nooooo that’s completely wrong.
I have dreadlocks and I definitely have nothing against weaves. I’m from a country where weaves are a huge thing from Indian to Brazilian hair (South Africa) but I believe that as woman we can relate when it comes to hair whether Black, White or Asian and I strongly believe that as people we express our beauty in our own different ways. So even if the Texas pastor can preach about how weaves can promote false image but at the end of the day it’s up to an individual and we know how the media strongly influences the mass.
One of the reasons the weave topic for black women is a hot topic is because of several reasons. For one relaxers were invented so that black slaves would be considered as proper and acceptable. and most of the relaxers are harmful. secondly we dont have straight hair to begin with and you find women buying long straight weaves which do not resemble their own hair. its only in the last couple of years where afro textured weaves have been invented for black women. I understand where the pastor is coming from. but i also feel that if a woman isnt harming anyone or doesnt hate herself then she can wear a weave if she chooses to.when you introduce the idea of God into any topic,its gonna cause some issues because each person’s relationship with God is different. But at the same time,we must love the way in which God made us and if you are happy with that thats all that should matter.
I disagree with what you said but its just my opinion.
Relaxers were never invented to give some sort of class position amongst slaves,Relaxer chemicals had nothing to do with hair because the man that invented that formula made it with the intention of modifying the texture of materials and found out it straightened, then came up with the genius idea of applying it to hair and it worked and he was black
Also the argument we didn’t have straight hair is a myth..BLACK BABIES are born with straight hair which is soft eventually through the coming months it then starts to curl..so our hair was straight before it got to the afro state that many say we was born with..we sure weren’t born with a fro with our head thats why it doesn’t mean you are more natural being natural..
I have seen blacks with naturally straighter hair from different parts of African too as well as babies. So for one thing I agree with you even though I think religious leaders don’t have a right to treat women like children about their hair.
And random site visitors don’t have the right to troll BGLH and spout anti-Christian rhetoric.
WHAT THE HELL
Lol that is what I said.
I’m an Atheist for one thing, and I really get tired of Church men telling women how they should be, look or feel. I think any woman who’s a Christian or Muslim and sit in church listening to the utter B.S. Of the so called “word” are misguided and betraying the female gender unknowingly. Do these black women ever realize how chauvinistic or misogynistic religion is to begin with? How do you go to church, put money in the plate, knowing how sexist these man-made Gods are? I say “Gods” (plural) because man made the Gods and from every culture you will find these Gods saying THEY are the one true God indeed! So honestly can care less what this idiot rev says. If you as a woman, don’t have the common sense and logic to see how sexist the bible is then you need help.
Quit allowing these idiots who aren’t important in your lives to guide you and tell you how to dress and feel.
What self respecting woman believes in the scriptures when they are sometimes nameless? In the bible we are always the temptress, whore, foot-washer and domestic servant, unclean during menstruation and untouchable until ritual cleansing after child birth. Don’t even talk to me about how Jesus changed all that crap either because remember Jesus lived and taught under the old law. He said to obey old law in Mathew 5:17. Inconsistencies run rampant throughout the bible, so I’m sure some of you will come up with another verse to dispute that what Jesus actually said in the buy-bull.
And if the sexism isn’t enough for you check out slavery, and gay bigotry in that evil book. This rev needs to mind his business. Long hair does not exclusively belong to white women! Where your weaves. I’d rather see a sister wear a weave then to put money in the hands of these charlatans that MOST black women are so obsessed with.
It’s quite one thing to say that you don’t believe in God and that you’re an atheist. That is YOU, but there are many people who do. It’s one thing to take offense to what one man said, but when you come out swinging at the Bible and Jesus — That is quite another can of worms. I believe in God, I believe the Bible is inspired. You can’t blame God for what men choose to do. Everything in the Bible is there for a reason I might not understand everything, but i’m not going to criticize it because I don’t understand. I know quite a few women, all kinds, those who don’t have chemicals in their hair, and quite a few older ones– And one thing that mostly come up is how hypocritical church people and the preachers are. More than one of them said that when they went into certain churches with their natural hair, they were chased out by the preachers and called Devils.(these were some of the older ones) I’m not going to attack the Bible because of that. The preacher did that. One thing I notice about some atheists, is that they always attack the intelligence of people who believe in God. See the problems that we have today, much of it would not be if people truly lived by the Bible.
Fluffy, don’t you think it does you and other women an injustice when you don’t question the very sick things in this world that are psycholgically harmful to women? And btw it’s a free country so if I want to put the buy-bull on blast for it’s ancient pathetic teachings then I shall. It’s high time someone did!
Do you buy a house on faith? Do you cross the street on faith? I don’t think you’d do any of those things based on faith. If you don’t question the lies you’ve been taught then you are just living with blinders on and cherry picking. I am never impressed when people try to explain errors in the bible, if you want to make sense and excuses for such foolish teachings about gays, slavery etc.then do,that. All I,am saying is that I won’t pretend that the bible is the word of some God. Also which God are you talking about? Because there are many!
Also I never said you weren’t intelligent, I have many intelligent Christian friends. I do however notice that whenever a Christian is presented with facts or challenged they always think someone is attacking their intelligence for whatever reason? You must have a complex? I am wondering about your lack of common sense is all. Many intelligent people suffer from delusion. You Christians are the ones who act arrogant, you claim to know all the secrets of the universe, but when someone like me questions your beliefs you call us arrogant?!
I’m not calling you stupid, I’m saying you’re delusional and don’t undestand the natural world that surrounds you. Just because you’re too lazy to investigate and research your cult beliefs doesn’t make you right. You need to recognize the fact that you’ve been brainwashed and brainwashing is a sad thing.
Like I said, it’s a free country, so believe what you want to believe. I don’t see any evidence of a Jesus. And no self respecting woman should agree with any type of religious teachings that oppresses her or other women.
Christians are arrogant, lazy, brainwashed? Christian women lack self-respect?
Why you so mad?
You like logic right? So get this: Not everyone who say they are Christians, actually are. Being a Christian is a lifestyle. It’s not all about sitting in church, listening to preachers, and certainly not about being judgmental. It’s about loving God, loving yourself, and loving others.
So I say this with love:
You sound like you are unhappy with your life, even miserable. If you are at peace with your decision to deny God’s existence (which we know you aren’t) you wouldn’t be getting so riled up, attacking someone’s faith because of what one man said in Texas. The truth is that you (or any other non-believer) won’t understand the Christian faith unless you let God into your heart FIRST. You’re supposed to pray for understanding and let God guide you through life.
Hopefully, one day you will realize that we are more than physical bodies, minds, and emotions. We have a spirit. And if you are denying that reality and ignoring your spiritual life, you’re worse off than those zombies in the Walking Dead. I pray that YOU will wake up from being BRAINWASHED & DECEIVED. God bless you.
Actually studies show that it’s Christians who are more likely to be divorced. It’s also Christians who suffer most from emotional problems and that is why they become drawn to organized religion.
Cakm down, I’m only giving my opinion. You act as though being a Christian is like taking an instant happy pill.
Being a Christian doesn’t protect you from depression, disease or unhappiness you dolt.
Choosing to live in reality does not mean I’m unhappy. I am happiest when I’m not told how I should believe. I am happiest and most fascinated when I investigate and discover the natural world around me. I’m completley fascinated and in awe of the universe. I don’t know how it got here and fon’t want to pretend to know like you religious people do.
And yes religious people are lazy pretending to have all the answers making assumptions about why we are here. When you really don’t kniw do
You? Imdon’t know how we got here, but you don’t know either, so what happens to,spirituality when you can’t explain your sick beliefs.
Just because I admit how I feel about your b.s . Religion doesn’t mean I’m depressed and even if I were unhappy that has nothing to do with being an Atheist. Humans can become unhappy about a number of things in their lives has nothing to do with lack if belief.
I find it comical that you’re ignorant enough to assume that Atheists can’t be happy because they don’t have a God in their lives. Where do you get such irrational thinking? I can see why logic is a foreign concept to you.
And who,are you to,define what spirituality is or should be?
I get aggravated with the religious people I,meet sometimes but I am not angry at their decision to live a fantasy, I just don’t agree with your fantasies. I don’t know how you translate my being an Atheist to “sounding unhappy”
But then again you are a typical irrational Christian…Don’t give me a speech about the difference between “true believers and fakes” to me you’re all grasping at straws and you all drankmthe koolaide for whatever reason.
The only real Christians are biblical scholar monks who live in monestaries.
How bizarre it is to condone the slavery, gay and woman bashing in the bible.
Do you always sign on the dotted line before you read a contract?
I can’t help but feel sorry for you. You know nothing about the very thing you despise; confusing hypocrites and overly religious nut jobs with Christians. As I said before, not everyone who claims Christianity is a Christian. Life is not perfect. Christians are human and are subject to making mistakes. But guess what, it feels great to make mistakes and know God is there to make sure it doesn’t break us. Nothing, absolutely nothing can stand between a faith-filled Christian and the good Lord. He watches over us and protects us and blesses us. God never promised an easy life, but He made sure we can find peace and joy in spite of our circumstances. Christians have that and a WHOLE lot more in our lives. What do you have? How do you find value and purpose in your life? Who do you turn to when life gets tough? Relatives, friends, lovers pass away. How will even stand your golden years, when you’re wrinkly and gray, with only death staring you in the face? Sounds tough. Who knows, maybe your “facts” and “studies” will comfort you in your darkest hours of life. As for us Christians, we’re cool. God’s got us covered.
If you’re ever curious about learning the truth, I suggest picking up something by Ravi Zacharias. He’s awesome at explaining why atheism makes no sense, using logic and facts (gasp!!). Here’s some proof of Ravi’s existence in case you don’t believe me (LOL):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6cTlDn4PiU
God bless
Amen!!
If atheists don’t believe in God, why do some get so angry and offended at those who do have faith?
Sounds like a guilty conscience to me.
My reply was directed to @Fluffy-in-flight.
Amen to Sammy as well!!
Uh who said I was angry at you? I just think you live in a fantasy world and feel the need to point out the sick garbage in the bible from time to time. It seems you’re angry because I won’t submit to your madness.
How could you not be angry about what you read in the bible? Have you even read the bible and if you have, why aren’t YOU equally as pissed off about what those primative cave men in the bronze age wrote about women, gays and unmarried women. How can you not be angry about a woman being considered beneath a man? You are ok with slavery and stoning someone for not being a virgin before marriage? How can you cherry pick,the way you do without a blink of an eye?
Look, I’m not angry at religious folks and their choices, I’m disgusted with the way you just accept this stuff without investigation or question, in fact I find it fascinating?
How can you not laugh at the concept of a boogie man Devil? Lol A beast that God employs in the book of Job!?
I am a person, I was not I born as a sinner. I think it’s child abuse to teach small children that if they don’t accept love and adore an abusive God man tgey will burn in hell. I think that is a sick thing to put on a human. Pleasd stop abusing your children with threats of hell. Of course I’m angry about tge abuse innocent children have to endure from their Christian, Muslim parents.
You must think Muslims are right to throw acid on their daughters for looking at boys too?
@ Colalover
Were you abused? You sound like you are speaking from such a personal place? Sorry if the church hurt you. Don’t turn away from God just because men hurt you. It’s time to heal.
There are plenty of vile things that both Atheists and Religious folks have done in history. We can toss around horrible examples back and forth all day. But why? What’s the point? Insulting someone’s faith and their intelligence because their faith makes you angry says a lot about you. We may not be able to agree, but pretending your insults are knowledge…smh.
Who cares at this point. Wear your weave, enjoy it, and leave people of faith alone.
Don’t know — I guess only an atheist could answer that question. But what I can tell you is that I do believe in him.Because you can’t see someone doesn’t mean that he doesnt exist. We obey laws daily that we came on this earth and found. I’m talking about not traffic laws, which is true too, but i’m talking about superior laws e.g like the law of gravity, and the law of thermodynamics’ and i know despite what people say whether they claim to be atheists or not, those laws have to be respected because if we go up against them, we either seriously injure ourselves or we die. It’s as simple as that. And for there to be laws, they definitely have to be a lawgiver And I haven’t touched on the bible yet or even creation.
They get mad because they think those who do are misguided and they think they can be “saved” ironically lol. The same reason religious people try to reach out to atheists.
This I coming from someone that’s neither.
An atheist quoting the Bible…calling the Bible an evil book…
May God forgive your blasphemy and have mercy on your soul.
“Go from the presence of a foolish and self-confident man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips” Proverbs 14:6.
To those with an open heart: if you are suspicious of preachers (or anyone speaking on matters of faith), read the Book of Jude (the chapter right before Revelations). “It warns believers against false teaching and provides a helpful list of characteristics of false teachers and erroneous teachings. (Description from J. Meyer amplified Bible)”.
God bless
Again, which God? God in the CHRISTIAN Bible employs the Devil, so how do you feel about that? The fact that you believe in an oppressive religion is embarrassing.
There are some Muslims who call you Christians “infidels” ? So you can call me an Atheist, but please remember how the first group of organized Christians were also called Atheistic,incent practicing cannibals by the ancient Jews. An Atheist is someone who doesn’t observe tradtional religious practices.
Since you want to throw verses around here goes,
Qur’an 9:5 “Kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them, and seize them, besiege them and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.”Qur’an 98:6 “Verily, those who disbelieve from among the People of the Book and idolaters, will be in the Fire of Hell, abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures.”
1 Timothy 2:12, in which the saint says: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.”
1 Samuel 15:3:
Psalm 137, which celebrates this terrible revenge: “Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.”
Peter 2:18: speaks about slavery. Oh I,can go on about the rest of the B.S. In your bible.
You would be considered an Atheist to people who believe in other Gods you nitwit.
Satan quoted the Bible too.
So sad.
@cocalover: “An Atheist is someone who doesn’t observe traditional religious practices.”
According to the dictionary:
Atheist- a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist?s=t&path=/
Blasphemer- to show contempt or disrespect for (God, a divine being, or sacred things), esp in speech.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blasphemer
If you don’t believe God exists, that’s you’re business. But why trash God? So offensive.
an atheist can quote the bible and call it the way they want fortunately because most of us here are in a free country, and I’m very glad.
I have no problem with extensions or weaves and will occasionally rock one as a protective style as well… But that’s just it – it’s a HAIR STYLE like any other accessory you take on/off.
What I do have a mild mind conflict with is the mentality of those that can only self-identify with their weave or any added feature for that mater (relaxer, eyelashes, face full of makeup.. etc.). The mass public is very brainwashed by this from the media. We even noticed this with the response to Beyonce’s haircut: “Why did you cut your long beautiful hair, Beyonce” a fan posts on her wall.. What the response should have been – “it was a wig/weave”. Fantasies and images shatter at the sound of truth!!!
I believe that’s what and who the pastor was preaching to. It definitely boils down to conflicts with one’s self.
i feel like if ppl are going to be buying this stuff at least try to buy from black businesses. Koreans take over beauty supply stores and a lot come straight from their country and open shop then they be talking about us in their language. In a perfect world ppl would love themselves and not wear makeup or do anything extra to look beautiful or be seen as beautiful. Our hair has always been a major issue. during slavery they cut black womens hair and made them wear headwraps to signify their inferiority. now some black women feel the need to cover up their hair with weave and relaxer to feel more beautiful and acceptable. i’m glad i’m seeing more black women returning to natural hair, it is beautiful and unique. They stay trying to get us to not embrace ourselves and have had all these crazy laws to keep black women from braiding hair or to keep black children from wearing their hair in afro puffs. what are they so afraid of, why does our hair cause so much drama. is it jealousy? is it fear of awakening?
wow. i agree with what he is saying, but at the same time guys need to practice what they preach. U can’t be saying u don’t like weave and be hollering at women that do wear weave while ignoring the ones with natural hair or without weave. ask a man to name beautiful women off the top of his head and i guarantee most of them are weaved up. i don’t wear weave but i do see ppl wear it as a protective style. imo if ur hair is healthy that is what matters, i just don’t like when ppl get a weave and don’t take care of their hair underneath and their hairline be going going gone.
so here is my two cents. i feel that we as black women are always ridiculed for wearing this type of hair and makeup up. if we wear weaves we are trying to be white , if we wear makeup then we are conforming to European standards. hosh posh. why , when other women (Caucasian, euro-Latino, Asian etc) can do this stuff and worse they are never accused of not loving their selves. tanning and bleach blonde is like the got damn first commandment among Caucasian women and yet they are not accused of not loving their selves? circle lenses are like the gold mine for most Asians and yet they arent accused of not loving theirselves? WTF. I am so sick of this bullshit. In this world as a black woman, you are damned if you do and you are damned if you dont.
.. and a side not, for black and non-black men. its like they want you to look like what preacher man is stating above, but for most, when black women do show their “natural beauty” its like… “you couldve at least put on some lip goss” or “how about you do something with your hair “(which would happen to be in a banging twist out). I swear.
It annoys me that people feel the need to enforce certain ideas in the name of faith.
When we dye our hair, that’s not who “really” are. When we flat iron our hair, that’s not who we “really” are. Same with makeup, colored contacts, spanx, padded bras…the list goes on!
Teaching a message of self-acceptance is one thing, putting down people’s preferred method of hairstyle is another.
And for the record, I’ve never worn a weave.
It’s fair to say that today so many black women wear weaves that it’s hard for anybody to realize black women actually wear their own hair anymore,many non black people are under the illusion that black women do so because they have no hair or they want to look like Caucasian women,
I also see more and more black men complaining that they are not fans of women who wear weaves
I wear weaves but very sparingly 4 months out of a year as a protective style and I only plan on doing so till my hair gets to its certain length because I do love the maintenance,look and feel of my own hair
I’m also aware that too many black women wear weave and are more concerned in paying for someone else’s hair on their head rather then taking the time to focus on the hair that already naturally grows from their own head.
Black women this, black women that…blah blah blah
*Grabs a bucket of popcorn*
Let the comments begin.
Well the bible does say do not just be driven by outside beauty…adorning the hair etc..but focus on inner beauty. So though I think there is nothing completely wrong in wearing a weave or wig etc….if that’s your focus. ..then its a problem that needs addressing. And its true some people are in debt yet will still find money to get their hair done. ..there’s nothing wrong with wanting to look good. .but priorities. ..
I don’t think wigs are self hate…especially for those that wear it for change or a break as MsKat says…but there are some that have insecurities….
the pastor does have a point..
I totally agree with jemjt.The most sensible comment this far.No hate/malice or pst/church bashing. 🙂
My view is do you but it needs to look good whatever your style is.
#teamrepresentwellalldayeveryday
Speechless!!!
He does have valid points. While there are some women who wear weave or wigs as a break- it’s normal for someone to want a break or change sometimes- in my travels I have seen many of the women he speaks of, with a pricey weave, often with kids looking a mess. If he knows the cost of a weave it is likely because he has heard that particular woman bragging about it. While I see nothing wrong with someone wearing a weave, I have seen, many times, these women’s decline: they decide there’s something wrong with their natural look, they start wearing weave or a wig all the time; over time they decide nothing is good enough…add big eyelashes, drawn on brows, fake nails/boobs/butts, etc. They pay a lot for shoddy work then brag about how much it cost as though their worth as a human being is somehow attached to all of it. Some have so much of the fake beauty and fake attitude, I honestly don’t think they know that real person buried deep inside them. I find it really sad, actually, and while I agree the pastor has valid points, I think it goes way deeper than the hair etc they hide behind… it’s a nice sentiment from him but to get them to stop and focus on themselves he has to get them to understand why they do it in the first place… then they’ll stop wearing it so much on their own.
I had this conversation with my cousin yesterday. I don’t believe in forcing people to do what they do not want to do but I have to agree with the Pastor here.
Why do we not see white women buying afro weaves and wearing these to work? I feel it’s really silly for black people to wear fake weaves and hair extensions especially when it’s quite obvious that it’s fake – when the hair is poor quality / synthetic / or not installed properly. Why go through all that trouble to deny who you are, or to try to fit in with the European definition of beauty when you can just go out with your own hair?
I have also chosen to remain natural so that when I tell my daughter to love herself the way she is, she can never turn round and think I’m a hypocrite. I love who I am, I feel very comfortable in my own skin and with my natural hair out. There are times when I was doing protective styling and wearing a wig, I just felt so wrong and uncomfortable.
Although I am against using chemicals, even someone with a relaxer to me is better than someone wearing an awful weave looking like they have a dead cat on their head.
Lol think your comment rings true with many folks,there is nothing worse then seeing a women with a bad weave.
Exactly! I’m totally agree at least if they was wearing fake fro lol but you rarely see that. It was always fake bone straight hair or something ! After all, this is a choice (a fake one but still one lol).
Personally I don’t wear weave. I already twice wear weaves & I don’t feel myself at all… I just don’t like it. I’m natural & I’m just wearing my box braids. I kind of understand his statement. Black woman (not in general) don’t really appreciate their hairs. I don’t understand why because we have beautiful hair like nobody business ahaha. We weren’t born with straight hair. Anyway after all this a personal choice. I already made my choice: I will stay natural for the rest of my life. I’ll just wear my natural hair or braids. I feel good & I feel myself.
Braids are fake hair
Oh really I thought it was my real hair thanks for letting me know. If you know how to read I was just saying that I don’t feel myself in weave! I know braids are not natural or whatever. Next time make sure you post something not that irrevelant. The subject was about weave. I can feel you are wearing weaves ahaha! 🙂
don’t get me wrong, I love Box braids & all other types of braids too, but what makes wearing them more natural than a weave? Either way you’re attaching something foreign to your own hair whether it’s virgin Brazilian hair or kanekalon.
Me personally I dont wear weaves, but what business is it of mine if someone else does.
How does he know how much they cost? What if someone’s weave is a gift to themself? I know I treat myself to a spa every now and then.
What if their wearing weaves because they work while also take the lead in caring for their home, and feel they don’t have time for their hair?
Bottom line he doesn’t know every persons circumstance. Maybe he should take his own advice and stop worrying about whats on somebody else’s head and focus on their heart.
Wow! What a statement! It rings some truth like it or not. We have to start with people’s hearts and minds first before banning “the weave” and the like.
He’s right! There’s a spirit of shame behind weaves that he wants to expose. There are also economic implications that are designed to keep some people poor. Hear him out, I think he is making a valid point.
We seem to forget that weaves have been around for thousands of years. That they were worn for beauty, art, and expression.
I doubt anyone would claim the Egyptians were ashamed of themselves. So why do we act like every black woman wearing a weave is a self hater that needs preaching to. I know there are self haters that do exist, but just because there are some out there doesn’t mean all black women who wear them are.
I say black women cause black women are the only ones blasted for wearing weaves.
If I can straighten my hair with a flat iron then explain to me why I wouldn’t be able to wear a straight wig. I mean our natural hair can be made straightened too. So how can it be self hate if God made our hair capable of doing all these things.
WHY DOES SOMEONE ALWAYS BRING UP ” WEAVES BEEN AROUND FOR THOUSAND OF YEARS”? SO HAS SLAVERY BUT DOES THAT MAKE IT RIGHT?
Really. You’re gonna throw out slavery for this one. Hyperbole much? It’s just HAIR.
But what makes you think the Egyptians wore weaves? Oh the same movies that cast Elizabeth Taylor and Angelina Jolie as Cleopatra? The same history books composed by dead white men in awe of the technological advancement of ancient Black Africans?
Couldn’t it have been their hair… Afro textured hair loc’d can reach our ankles… think about it. Egyptians were not all of light complexion, damn sure were not white, and they didn’t wear wigs.
The same pedagogy that has lead us to believe the egyptians and jesus resemble white people is the same thinking that cultivates an affinity to look white and embrace whiteness as ultimate beauty and symbol of intelligence and purity. i.e. even if you don’t wear them, you subscribed to the belief that the styles of straightened hair and weaves are “ok”
they wore fake beards and wigs, that’s a known fact. There’s nothing wrong with that, it was a fashion statement. people of high stature wore wigs and false beards, just the same way that rich Europeans wore powdered wigs. race had nothing to do with it
Please, the church is always asking for money! You see more single black women in Church sitting there putting their money in the plate and all for what? I,can give to charity on my own and can care less if the church gets a new roof or organ. This charlatan rev fails to mention all the money black women waste in the collection plate each Sunday for decades.
. I know black women who give to T.V. Evangelists like no ones business, so if she wants to spend 700 dollars on a weave then at least the money is going on herself and not some preachers pocket so he can drive a new car. He’s also implying that most black women can’t affird these weaves when most CAN! How condescending. I DARE some loser preacher to tell me I can’t wear a weave! It’s my money and I certainly won’t be giving him my money to pay his alligator shoes or down payement on his new car.
These preacher men are hypocrits. I don’t wear a weave but i can if I want to. Oh and how come it’s ok for Asians to dye their hair, wear colored contacts without being told they hate themselves? Because society loves to harrass black women about their oersonal fashion choices. I got two middle fingers up at that preacher.
I agree with you on this. Putting more energy into your church than your own life is ridiculous to me.