Singer Justine Skye took to her Instagram account to address those who challenge her choice to identify solely as Jamaican and not American, despite being born here.
I noticed some people getting upset that I say Iโm Jamaican although I was born in America.. I donโt need to prove myself to anyone.. but Iโve grown up all my life, coming to Jamaica multiple times a year, visiting my Jamaican family with my Jamaican parents and grandparents, in a Jamaican house hold.
thatโs the problem, everyone is so busy trying to tell everyone else who they are.. when they donโt even know what theyโre talking about let alone know themselves.
Hispanic kids not born in DR or PR arenโt Dominican or Puerto Rican? Asian kids born in America arenโt Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc?
America is a melting pot, filled with people of all colors, shapes and sizes from different places in the world. different cultures.. who are you to tell someone where they come from?
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Justine has a point. Many bi-cultural Americans identify solely with their non-US ethnicity (Dominican, Puerto Rican, Nigerian), and this could be for a variety of reasons โ family influence, a stronger feeling of identification, feeling rejected within American culture. On the other hand, โotheringโ in black culture is nothing new. Also it is disingenuous, on some level, to exist in, benefit from and be influenced by American culture without acknowledging it in any way. If weโre being 100% real, itโs not like Justine launched her singing career in Jamaica. Itโs here in the United States.
Does identifying strongly with a home culture always boil down to othering? And do we allow for enough diversity *within* the black experience in America? What are your thoughts?
Sorry, sheโs othering. As mentioned, she launched her singing career here in America, where she was born, so it sounds disingenious to note that she identifies โonlyโ as Jamaican (her ethnicity), but not her nationality (American). Which is puzzling since sheโs clearly both. And another thing, her music is lacking in the Jamaican cultural influence that sheโs so proud to be associated wit, so her need to identify as other, while doing the exact same r&b/pop/hiphop American songs that she was clearly influenced by, says this is a publicity stunt. Iโm also from the caribbean, but I barely relate to… Read more »
If her mother is Jamaican, then she is Jamaican. Thatโs our law. Itโs now her choice to identify as Jamaican (or not) and she does. Her music has nothing to do with that. I grew up in Jamaica. My favourite music is rock/pop/soca. Iโm not a fan of reggae/dancehall. That doesnโt make me less Jamaican. As to the argument about Caribbean Americans feeling superior, itโs more a case of Caribbean Americans not seeing themselves as inferior. We donโt identify racially. We identify nationality. Probably because our racial makeup is so similar and our countries are so small. I have never… Read more »
Saying you are an African American does not make one any less American neither is it โseparating โanyone as USA was just as much โseparatedโ when the term was black , coloured or negro , anyone who knows a scrap about American History , knows white folks dont really need a name to discriminate With all due respect as a fellow Jamaican , you are doing exactly what you are criticizing others of doing that is not allowing people to identify as they see fit, it is not your place to tell African โAmericans how to identify though our histories… Read more »
โit is UNHEARD of for any White Jamaican , Bajan or Trini (and we have quite a few ) to tell their black counterpart to โ Go Back to Africa โ โ Not true. One of my Jamaican friends told me he was faced with this exact discrimination by a White Jamaican who told him that the only reason my friend was in Jamaica was because his white ancestors brought his ancestors there as slaves and he wasnโt simply giving him a history lesson. Letโs not pretend that The Caribbean was built on White Supremacy and it is still in… Read more »
Nowhere in my comment did i pretend that the Caribbean is some post racial Utopia and that we were never enslaved, colonized or subject to white supremacy . I acknowledged that we share similar history but also had some differences with the Black American experience .which is why we tend to self identify differently In essence I was pointing out the fallacy of a Jamaican who on the one hand insists that Justine had the right to identify as Jamaican , yet on the other hand wants to admonish AA for identifying as African Americans which quite simply is not… Read more »
My parents are from the Caribbean so I can relate to some of the sentiments on this subject. However, we may be the majority but trust me we are not running things the way we should be. We talk about our independence from the Colonisers but Jamaica at least still has a white queen as head of state and correct me if Iโm wrong the education system, which was based on the European one anyway, refuses to include the education of Marcus Garvey in the curriculum. I love the Caribbean but it saddens me that a lot of our people… Read more »
Hello!!!! Yet I see all these idiots posting that white yardie on they timeline meanwhile they will hide all their dark skin relatives kmt #fuckery and indoctrination
โIf her mother is Jamaican, then she is Jamaican. Thatโs our law. Itโs now her choice to identify as Jamaican (or not) and she does.โโThatโs fine for Jamaica, but weโre speaking about the US, and the US thatโs not how it works when it comes to your nationality. But she does indeed have a choice and how she chooses to identify. โHer music has nothing to do with that. I grew up in Jamaica. My favourite music is rock/pop/soca. Iโm not a fan of reggae/dancehall. That doesnโt make me less Jamaican.โโI didnโt say her music had anything to do with… Read more »
Would you tell a white American that they should discount the fact that their ancestors were European.Their habits are not completely devoid of European ones and the majority of places in America were named after European people who decided that theyโre status was above that of anyone elseโs. The same in the Caribbean.
I agree with Justine identifying as Jamaican and was kinna with you until your last paragraphs, As a West Indian , I know that many of us identify with island of origin for patriotic reasons Not because we are ashamed of our African Heritage( The Afro-Caribbean ID may be used outside the region but at home is rarely used as the โAfro โis obvious or a given.) You however seem to be on some New black patronizing BS and are clearly not very educated about world history or socially aware with these type of comments โAfrica is far removed from your… Read more »
โAnd another thing, her music is lacking in the Jamaican cultural influence that sheโs so proud to be associated wit, so her need to identify as other, while doing the exact same r&b/pop/hiphopโ.โฆare you remotely aware of how many genres of music Jamaica/Jamaicans have created and/or influenced? Letโs see โ hip hop, EDM, dubstep, grime to name a few. So this idea that she should stick to whatever โJamaican cultural influenceโ your refering to is irrelevant. And just because you donโt relate to the Caribbean doesnโt mean that applies to her. She clearly relates more to her Jamaican heritage than… Read more »
Still black
Hello!
Yaโll do know claiming your ethnicity has nothing to do with denying that youโre black right? Its possible for me to be proud of my heritage while being aware that Im black. Why should people from the Caribbean or anywhere else lose their cultural identity simply bc Americans will โstill see them as BlackโโฆAnd? no one is saying Jamaicans, Haitians, Africans, etc arenโt black. Just like Americans love to rep their cities, I like to rep my country! When people rep Brooklynโฆdo you also yell. โYou still Black?โ.
Well, she never said she wasnt. She looks unambiguously black to me
One can be Jamaican and Black at the same time the two are not mutually exclusive
African Americans do not hold some patent on blackness
She never said she wasnโt. Thats the thing. You see, people tend to look at black American culture as a monolith, it is not. Black people come from all over the world, speak different languages, eat different foods.โฆ being from the south, or being a descendant of black American slaves is NOT the only way to be black. Eating cornbread and collards is NOT the only way to be blackโฆ She is correcting people. In Jamaica-we donโt โother,โ ourselves, because most of us are black- we are the majority, unlike the US (which is also my home) and we look… Read more »
I understand her point. Both of her parents are Jamaican. Therefore, she grew up with that perspective. She didnโt say one her parents is American, so she isnโt bi-cultural.
Totally agree im jamaican American too and always thought this.?????
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I definitely agree with Justineโs perspective. I identify myself as haitian or Haitian-American. If your household is ran 100% Haitian, Jamaican, Domincan, Ghanaian, etc and the language of your parents homeland, the method of cooking, the social norms, etc, you have every right to identify your self with that culture. Think about the latino born kids who grow up having THICK accents yet they were born right here in the US of A. If they say, Iโm American, youโre going to keep fishing for their cultural background. She is Jamaican (or Jamerican if youโre familiar, lol) who just benefits from… Read more »
I hear your point, but you also generalized a great deal. Carribean Americans actually arenโt African American (despite most having African ancestry). Sounds confusing, right? Let me put it this way. Would you call Naomi Campbell a African American? probably not, bc she isnโt American; she comes from a different cultureโฆwould you call a Afro-German an AA bc they touched US soil?? No, bc they are Germanโฆso why would you call West Indians, โAfrican Americansโ when our cultures are so substantially different? If you lived in Jamaica for letโs sayโtwo yrs (im assuming youโre black American) would you then tell… Read more »
โI hear your point, but you also generalized a great deal. Carribean Americans actually arenโt African American (despite most having African ancestry). โ It seems obvious that for any given person, they come with a mix of cultural background and exposure. Some people have family trees with their roots so deep in American history that they truly are African-American. Others though, they donโt, and thatโs fine. Sometimes I wonder if black people in the US arenโt so focused on solidarity for political/social reasons that some people lose sight of the fact that theyโre just as diverse a group as any other. Culture… Read more »
My point exactly!
My point exactly. Iโm Black and American, my husband, Jamaican. Our daughter sees herself as BLACK American. We share, celebrate, and embrace both cultures. We recognize the African roots deeply embedded in both. We are well aware that together and as a race we are a Black family.
Well, I believe black people should be free to identify as they want. We are not a monolithic group of people. I just get so annoyed when other black people try and put us in a box. Noโฆlet us be free. We know who we are. I identify as Black..clearly based on the color of my skinโฆ However, if you ask me about who I amโฆI claim MY cultural background which is bigger than being Black in the eyes of White or Black Americans.
Why do people have a problem with her only identifying with her Jamaican side? After all, Mexicans refer to themselves as Mexicans, and Indians refer to themselves as Indian.
Donโt understand why so many black Americans struggle. As a black American, youโre only identity is โBlack Americanโ because that is the only culture you know and canโt trace your customs to one specific area outside of America. Just as a commenter below said, being from the south and eating collard greens is not the definition of blackness. Black cultures existed LONG before the United States of America and continue to exist outside of the US. Black is a race, not an ethnicity. It is a color, not a culture. She says she is Jamaican because SHE IS JAMAICAN! Born… Read more »
I disagree. There is a black American culture that many people identify with. Arenโt there different ethnic groups in Nigeria? Same goes for America
I donโt think thatโs what she meantโฆ When people talk about โBlack cultureโ, they often mean โBlack Americanโ culture, which is its own culture to be sure. But the cultures of the Caribbean, of various parts of Africa, etc. will all be different from that. Sheโs saying that when you have close ties to a culture outside of โBlack Americanโ, it makes sense that you could identify with that culture, maybe even more than with Black American culture, even if you were born & raised in the US.
YESSSS, this is exactly what Iโve spent years trying to explain to people. Anyone who has an issue with this type of thing must have an inferiority complex. And itโs funny because most people who refer to themselves as โAfrican Americanโ have never been to Africa, nor do they practice African customs, nor have any direct African upbringing. Funny how that double standard works.
Well, bloop!
โโฆAmerica is not the center of the Black universe.โ THANK YOU!
Why is this such a problem. I live in England and itโs common for those who have parents from the Caribbean, Africa, Asia other parts of Europe to acknowledge and identify with their parents birth place because culture or race may be stronger than nationality.
Yes, but truth be told, when those British-born go back to their parentโs birth country, theyโre viewed as British. And in actuality, they are!
I understand the conundrum and dynamics. When youโre in England, youโre never English, only British. You also have to deal with racism. But because you grew up in the UKโyou act British, talk British, think British and walk British. Definitely stand out when you go back โhomeโ.
Me personally, I would never consider myself English (they are white skinned) not even British. There are many Black people who have parents from the Caribbean, especially those my age who are far from the descriptions you give. They speak patois, the only time we might not is at the work place, eat the same food we ate growing up and Iโm not saying that the British lifestyle hasnโt had any influence over the way we behave or do things but you can tell us apart. Weโve actually developed a street culture rooted in our Caribbean background which White and… Read more »
Youโre ignorant and wrong many people are referring to The Americas not just the United States of America when they say African American Naomi Campbell is a jamaican brit so not sure why you even brought her up smh thatโs a false equivalency. My dad is a rasta from Dwaney park and my mom is from St Andrew and Iโll be darned if you would be uppity Jamaicans copying the stuck up traditions of the people who enslaved you are going to tell me different! Smh this is exactly why the black race canโt get any where because people like… Read more »
I think you meanโt to tag Danny and not me since I did not mention anything about Naomi Campbell. Further I am not Jamaican, nor do I have any Jamaican roots and I have never lived in the States. I am a born and bred Caribbean person who actually lives and works in my country of birth. Hence the reason why I believe that I was tagged by mistake. However since I was tagged I will respond by saying this. People act like if black people are the only ones that are not united when low and behold when you… Read more »
That may be how YOU define yourself. And thatโs fine. So Iโll tell you what: Define yourself by your own terms. West Indians have the right to culturally identify with it if they want! If they erase their West Indian heritage, what do they have left?
Why should they erase their food, dialect, and culture just bc they set foot in the US?
In a land where black people have had their african culture virtually erased, I am thankful to still maintain some link to Africa through mine.
Live how you want to live, boo! Good luck you!
Eh, I donโt think itโs a big deal. It really isnโt uncommon for someone to identify strongly with the culture of their heritage, even if they were born elsewhere โ and itโs not uncommon for people to not identify at all with the place they were born and raised in. No biggie.
โHowever it always boggles my mind when Americans equate blackness with being African American. โ
Haha, this reminds me of a guy I used to work with, but in reverse ๐ He was black, and always would talk about how this or that was so offensive cos of the history of slavery of his peopleโฆ then one day we found out his family immigrated here (Canada) from North Africa (I think it was Djibouti?) and none of them had ever set foot in the US, much less been enslaved by anyone. It was so bizarre.
Ok so, lets flip the script for a second a take a look at Black Americans who call themselves โAfrican Americansโ?? Most Black Americans who identify as โAfricanโ American have 0 direct connection to any African country or their customs, in fact, they donโt eat African food in the morning, and they donโt have any direct family members they can trace to the Continent. In fact, if you ask many which countries in Africa their family hails from, they probably couldnโt tell you. 9/10 this is fact. Yet, somehow still refer to themselves as Africanโฆ how does that even make sense?… Read more »
Sis there are many AAs who have visited Africa and even settled there. No way is the Caribbean the Motherland donโt forget our Ancestors were taken to the Islands by force and were brainwashed by Europeans to see Europe as the Motherland. Black people didnโt name the Islands, the names we carry belong to foreigners, some of us still worship the British monarchy. I wish our people would indulge in reading our history more and not the one Europeans gave us we might understand the divisions we create amongst ourselves.
Honestly, I donโt care how many times AAs or anyone else have visited Africa. If you do not share the same cultural framework as Africans then youโre not African. If we go back far enough everyone is from Africa. Regardless of where the settlement began, we on the islands, have a very unique culture specific to our region just like every other region has a culture of their own. If you grew up eating collard greens, mashed potatoes and chitlins and you donโt eat Fufu, jollof rice and red sauceโฆ how can you call yourself African? Makes 0 sense. You… Read more »
Iโm a black American and have no issues with this. But as someone that spent several years living around west indians and africans in London (including living in Jamaica) I have a more holistic view. 1- Americans are the ones passionate about hyphenating. Once you step outside of the US, Britain (fill in the blank), no one cares about where your parents or ancestors came from. They view you by your birth country or wherever you grew up. But itโs important to consider the next point. 2- People from developing countries tend to view living in the West as a sign… Read more »
โ โAnd another thing, her music is lacking in the Jamaican cultural influence that sheโs so proud to be associated wit, so her need to identify as other, while doing the exact same r&b/pop/hiphopโ .โฆare you remotely aware of how many genres of music Jamaica/Jamaicans have created and/or influenced? Letโs see โ hip hop, EDM, dubstep, grime to name a few.โโThat maybe so, but that still doesnโt change the fact that her primary genre of music is American, not Jamaican. American music has influenced many other musical genres around the world as well, including the carribbean, but those other musical genres… Read more »
Both of my parents are west indian, but I was born and raised in America. I classify as West Indian American because that is who I am. In fact, my entire family is from the West Indies. People tend to stereotype based on appearances. If someone looks Puerto Rican, Asian, Indianโฆthey are automatically classified as such without insight to where they were born and true ethnicity. I was raised like Justine so I understand her struggle. I am not trying to deny being a Black American, but I will never deny my West Indian rootsโฆever.
I consider myself an โAmerican-bornโ Nigerian, which people donโt always get. Iโm a dual citizen of both countries, but my Nigerian and Igbo roots mean so much more to me. I donโt actually ever think of myself as being American until I travel abroad. Iโve suffered discrimination in America for being African, so triumphing over that and embracing my heritage and beauty in a very eurocentric environment is poignant for me. I live in America, so American culture is omnipresent. But my Nigerian and Igbo heritage are precious to me and they bind me to my family and to my… Read more »
Also, I think this also has to do with the sort of superiority Caribbean-Americans feel over African-Americans. They will do anything to try and distinguish themselves, as if there is something wrong with being African-American. Even if they arenโt that close to their Caribbean culture, and actually even closer to American culture. It just seems like another one of those casesโฆ
African american is a specific ethnic group and based on my understanding refers to black people whose ancestors were slaves in the United States of America. I am not American nor do I live in America. I live and work in the Caribbean. However it always boggles my mind when Americans equate blackness with being African American. The two are not the same. All African Americanโs are black but not all Black people are African Americanโs. Also based on what Justine Skye said she grew up with both Jamaican parents and grand parents and she said she travels to her… Read more »
I wholeheartedly agree with her calling herself Jamaican. Whatever your culture at home is defines who you are. Of course, she has been influenced by American culture to a degree but her roots are Jamaican. She is American by convenience of birth.
I donโt know why its a problem for her to say she is jamaican. Thatโs what she is. Jamaicans (who are black ) know they are black. I remember being told Iโm not black and Iโm not american all the time. (I grew up both in nyc and jamaica) from black americans. how many of yall grew up in nyc when ppl find out you have immigrant parents and all of a sudden you are not black? Iโm saying this not to pass judgment, but to understand that when you are black in this country it is usually for african… Read more »
Letโs remember that CITIZENSHIP is acquired by birth or naturalization. CULTURE is also acquired by birth but also heritage & tradition. It all depends on how deeply one delves into other peopleโs traditions & customs. If for example all whites assimilated to the indigenous culture of the original tribes of North America youโd have some bonafide white Americanโs but as it stands what you clearly have in America is an extension of Europe with every ethnic class conforming to the English standard, customs & traditions & this only changes when other ethnicities refuse to conform or assimilate to the ruling… Read more »