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When I saw this, all I could think was “Finally!” Kudos to the Ohio University students for speaking out against this. We’ve documented the tendency of people to use natural hair in silly costumes; from the “Ghetto Fab” wig to afros being the costume of choice at a bike parade. I’m not sure why there’s such a desire to racialize Halloween costumes, but here’s hoping the trend will end.
Check the gallery below for more photos from the Ohio University campaign. And click here for more details on the movement. Ladies, what do you think of the campaign?
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I absolutely love the campaign.
Wonderful campaign!!!
This is an absolutely brilliant campaign and a great message. Kudos to Ohio University!
I love this campaign. Those “costumes” are ridiculous and I don’t see how anyone that isn’t drunk out of their mind would think that’s an appropriate outfit.
Good! It’s about time! Thank you for sharing this!
+1
Yea!!! It’s about time!! Glad my alma mauter is stepping up with this campagin.
I agree, love the campaign!! Have seen the pics all over facebook, but didn’t know it was done by students at my alma mater. OU represent!!
Er…I get the girl in the picture was trying to be Lil’ Wayne and therefore was going for a person specifically and maybe not the black culture…but that blackface makes me super uncomfortable.
Kudos, this needs to be addressed.
I was thinking she was lil wayne too. Sometimes I think people get too bent out of shape about stuff. No, that’s not who she is or who we are – but it is pretty close to who he is. If some black guy was lady Gaga it wouldn’t be anything but funny..
The funny thing is though, if a black person were to dress like Lady Gaga, the last thing they’d think of doing is putting on make up to make their skin lighter.
You can dress like lil wayne without painting yourself in blackface. If I’m cosplaying an anime character or a character who is not my exact race/skin colour, I don’t paint myself white.
I hope I’m not misinterpreting your tone, it seems I wasn’t clear based on the response I’m getting. I do not think she should have painted her skin, it was completely in bad taste. As I mentioned she made me uncomfortable. I think it might have even been funnier and had more of an ironic effect if she had left her skin alone save the tatoos. I was hinting that perhaps she was thinking “I’m going to be Lil’ Wayne” more than “I’m going to be a random black person!” I’ve seen the latter done to minstrel-like effect. I believe… Read more »
You people are jokes. Serious, jokes.
You are the people with problems, not some girl that decided to have a neat costume.
I ASSUME YOU ARE CAN’T LOOK INTO THE PICTURE FAR ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT, OH, THE WHITE MALE PAINTED HIMSELF WHITE. I SUPPOSE THAT IS RACIST, AS WELL?
All of you, grow up.
absolutely powerful. just powerful.
I’d love to see the reactions of people who have worn these type of “costumes” after seeing these images. Bet any money some of them wouldn’t do it again…hopefully, lol.
Absolutely Awesome!!!
I think this is taken WAY too seriously. People put on costumes all the time. Most of the time it’s a form a flattery. Halloween gives people the occasion to be whoever they would like to be for one day, maybe someone they admire secretly, or think is fascinating. Is it really that bad? Sometime, it’s just a reflection of what’s going on in our society. Maybe it’s a way to be able to start a conversation about it. Why does this always has to be received as in insult? Because some might make fun of them? Why so insecure?… Read more »
I was thinking the same thing. I am in no way offended at the white girl dressing like Lil Wayne. It does not define me in the least. Its never an issue when a black person dresses up to be white, but when its the other way around all hell breaks loose.
That movie was…ugh…. I like them better when they looked like themselves on their tv show.
I’m with you. I don’t see what the big deal is. This is the last thing black people need to focus on (yes, I’m aware that blacks aren’t the only minorities in this PSA but I’m speaking specifically to blacks regardless). It’s Halloween–why are we so sensitive? Are cops in uproar about costumes being worn in their likeness? What about entertainers? Are they putting up posters about outlandish costumes being worn in their honor or dishonor?
Like someone said about there being a difference with occupations, dressing up as a cop or doctor (though not scary) doesn’t seem as bad as ‘I’m going to be a Native American!’ or ‘I’m going to buy that Mexican costume.’ People being other ethnicities is weird…. People just are MExican or black, it’s not anything extra. I’m not explaining it well. I could go as a black woman for Halloween.
I see what you mean…there is a difference, but is it a difference that should be taken as offensive? I’ve seen college educated black people make fun of ghetto blacks. That’s more offensive because they’re not using their “higher” position to help them. The costumes are for fun and I do see that costumes are stereotypes, but some people fit stereotypes! That’s why they’re funny. We talk about other races in a degrading manner many days of the year. Comedians poke fun at different cultures all the the time and there are no PSAs being funded. It’s about having a… Read more »
I think the main problem is how people perceive these costumes for themselves. Which leads to senseless censuring and attack of self expression. I’m pretty sure not ALL the “college educated black people” who dress “ghetto black” do this to make fun. And for those who do make fun, they’re just stupid and ignorant despite their college degree. This is how I see this : Maybe they love the creativity and originality of their fashion sense because it’s not a blend boring way of dressing up, maybe it’s a way for them to stay grounded. I know for having gone… Read more »
“Don’t be offended, I’m just honouring your beautiful culture” = NO. STOP RIGHT THERE. It doesn’t matter if you, a non-Native, think that you’re “honouring” Native culture by wearing a head dress or war bonnet. The fact of the matter is that there are hundreds of Native tribes that have items and languages specific to their tribes. Natives find it extremely offensive and racist when people dress up as generic First Nations people and have objected against these racis/problematic depictions for years. Not caring about how you’re offending them contributes to their subjugation and oppression within society. If someone asks… Read more »
Agreed!
Perfect response! Agree completely=)
SO WELL SAID. Bravo.
I see where you are coming from, but I looked at those costumes and they are offensive IMHO. The only one that could truly be considered based off an actual character would be the one looking like a Japanese geisha, and that is if it really is a geisha costume, and not just some random Japanese woman in traditional dress. Look very carefully at those photos. A man dressed with an old t-shirt or whatever over his head to mimic an Arab with dynamite strapped to his chest? A Mestizo with his donkey? Native Americans of all ppl, who were… Read more »
+1
I understand the first girl dressed as Lil’ Wayne (though I’m somewhat uncomfortable with the black face)… she is being a character or emulating a person. Same way I understand when girls dress as Pocahontas. There’s a difference between costume and mockery and I find the Arab and Mexican ethnic costumes are the most offensive to me even as an outsider (African woman).
If you’re dressing as Nefertiti, you’re not dressing as an entire ethnicity/culture of people. You can dress like Nefertiti without resorting to black face. If I dress as a famous historical figure from Asian history, I’m not going to paint myself yellow and tape my eyes back because that crap is offensive and oppressive. We don’t live in a bubble where the world is free from racism, stuff like this hurts people and when they ask you not to do something, you need to listen instead of derailing with excuses.
well what do you think about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChICboQK7GE&feature=feedu
I saw the vid…I’m not offended in any way she looked pretty…Its one thing to stuff your real and then cover yourself with paint and have gold teeth…very different…sorry.
I’m sorry, your saying people shouldn’t embrace other cultures? Your Mexican or Black, don’t go talking to those white people?
A couple years ago a bunch of university students went as the Jamaican Bobsled team from 1988 Olympics: 4 white guys in black face and a black guy in white face, nation wide press but no one got offended by the black guy emulating a fat white alcoholic.
Right. And if I dressed up as Bradley Allen from the ‘Artisans & Their Arts’ segments of SCTV, you’d probably be offended (because I’m a Black man dressing up as as a white Jewish dude, who the character originally was.)
I’m sorry, but I’m not going to sugarcoat any of this; you are actively contributing to racism by not taking this seriously.
+10
It’s not flattery. Flattery would be accurately recreating a cultural costume. All of the above examples are charactiture, save maybe Lil’ Wayne, but that’s minstrel territory to me. Example: For less than $30 and an inkling of thought and research, you can find a much nicer kimono than the one the lady is wearing in the picture. That example is what I think western society sees as Japan/Asian. The structure is wrong, the fabric is wrong, the outfit is worn wrong. It wants to be a “geisha” costume shows next to no idea as to what geisha actually wear. It’s… Read more »
If the “flattery” was done in better taste, then perhaps there would be nothing to be up in arms about. I often see costumes that portray stereotypes of a culture and not who we truly are (as the poster says). That could be the point where it is offensive.
Great points, but if you really want to imitate someone, imitate yourself… think, think, then rethink, the situation first before insulting cultures. I mean come on with all thats going on in the world today I am pretty sure you can find others costumes to display your ignorance.
I support them 100%!!
Great concept!
The geisha one doesn’t belong though. It’s an occupation/character. Women dress like “hoes” and strippers for Halloween. I was a belly dancer once. Same thing, it’s just a Japanese dancer/”hoe” instead.
For the record, geishas are not hos. Being a geisha is nothing sexual, you are thinking of japanese women who would dress up as geishas to exoticize themselves and sleep with American and British GIs during WWII.
Belly dancers are also not hos. I think the campaign is brilliant because it educates people about the inconsistencies and misconceptions, that you have yourself, about a culture.
Sorry, she is a gardening tool?
Also not all Mexicans wear ponchos, or all black people multimillion dollar singers… Why can’t Japanese girls be hyper sensitive. Don’t be discriminatory against the Japanese!
“Sorry, she is a gardening tool?”
*Giggles behind one hand, raises the other, church-lady fashion*
Tee-hee-hee :-)!
Actually, the word in question is a mispronunciation of the word “whore”, forgive me for pointing out the obvious. I do so to suggest that if one simply substitutes an apostrophe for the “r”, i.e. “who’e”, that would put one closer in spelling to the word intended without offending garden tools or those who use them :-).
Okay, carry on, y’all! *tip-toeing on out*
Fyi, Japanese women do find this offensive for good reason, so yes, it does belong. Maybe you should read up on geishas and the fetishization of Asian women.
Ummm…both geishas and belly dancers are known to work double as prostitutes. There are books and movies about this- and not from the Western perspective. Geisha’s would sell their virginity to pay back the house that trained them. Indian dancers worked as prostitutes as well. Secondly, I know “hoe” is a slang way of writing “whore” hence the quotes. I originally had “whore” but it sounded too harsh (and too proper for this forum), so I went with “hoe” as in “Pimps and hoes” parties (which are never called “Pimps and whores parties,” note. I wasn’t aware that this was… Read more »
Dancers of middle eastern/north african genres do not all (or even most) double as prostitutes. Some very specific cultures, such as the Ouled Nail, do this to accumulate wealth (then they get married and settle down) but this is not the norm. It is an individual’s choice to participate in sexual services: prostitution is not inherently linked with these genres of dance. I am passionate about this becasue I AM a so called “belly dancer” and despise the claim that my art form is inherently linked with prostitution. I’m sure traditional Indian folk dancers and women who spend years perfecting… Read more »
Okay, here’s a compromise/clarification: SOME geishas and bellydancers double as prostitutes. I never said all, do note. (When I dressed as a bellydancer, I wasn’t going for the “with extras” edition.) I brought up the prostitution example because though that can be a questionable choice of costume to some, I wanted to make the point that it is not specifically an attack on a CULTURE (as implied in the poster). If whore costumes are allowed, then one can have US ones, Japanese ones, Indian ones, etc. (Most comments I read about the geisha were about how it portrays the sexualization/exoticization… Read more »
I think the problem is stereotyping the culture. Not all Mexicans ride mules, not all Muslims are terrorist strapped with bombs…no one person represents a culture. People from those culture don’t walk around looking like that. They are just them, nothing that would be a costume. They’re not even famous. It’s just a generalized person from what the wearers think the culture is, which they no nothing about.
You know it’s bad when Lil’ Wayne (if that’s who she is, I just thought she was a random black chick) is the representation of the black culture. :/
Honestly, I think this is not that deep.
Brilliant campaign!
Wonderful campaign! I should go national!
They need to add a poster of a Black loc’ed person holding a picture of someone in those awful ‘rasta’ wigs as well as a poster of a Black afro’ed person holding a pic of someone in an afro wig.
Good!! And this goes for those of “us” who deem to denigrate and degrade our own culture.
I think that if I didn’t care about respecting other cultures I wouldn’t be offended. I value our differences and the beauty and rich history of others. I do not believe it is ever ok to mock a group of individuals especially when you know nada about that group. As a society we need to do better and expect better from each other.
Brilliant Ohio University!
its halloween, its not that serious. If thats the case Halloween would be stopped all together and every costume would be considered offensive from the pirate to the princess. We should find better things to focus on like the huge income gap thats affecting everybody. In the whole sceme of things and whats going this is trivial JMHO
I think there is an issue being created where there is none. One costume is not meant to represent a race/ethnic group, its meant to be OBVIOUS so that everyone knows what you’re supposed to be dressed up as! That is why stereotypes do the job perfectly! Who wants to be an educated latino for halloween..? Nobody, cuz we see them everyday, but this mule-riding latino is something you don’t see (if you live in the city). That’s why someone chose it as a costume. I do believe the “occupations argument” is valid, cuz if we can be oversensitive about… Read more »
I agree 100%!
I think we are so enslaved to “their” validation. Why must we be so concerned about what these little nonfactors do at damn Halloween?
I am black and I don’t celebrate holloween, I am not sure why even have halloween
I Agree with you.
Some people dress like michael jackson and act like michael jackson on halloween… how come some blacks are raising an uproar…
I don’t have energy for every little petty fight…or stupidity going into the media.
im not thinking it’s that deep…in all fairness, where’s the pic of a white student holding a photo of someone dressed in something that highlights a common stereotype about them! (because Lord knows there’s plenty!) I think maybe people like to pull the race card about everything. it’s halloween…one of the most non-serious days of the year…shut up and go enjoy yourself.
I think the campaign should be aired…nationwide! There are plenty creative and funny costumes for Halloween! I think people who dress like the stereotypes for Halloween are not thinking outside the box!
SMH @ some of these Herman Cain-like comments. Sorry, but a white person donning black face, or strapping a fake bomb to themselves and putting a sheet over their head to be a Muslim (LOL so funny…not) is not a-okay or “Not the serious”.
Agreed! I think people think this is about PC, but it isn’t. I’ve been to a party where a white chick dressed up as a ghetto black chick and she was in blackface. She thought, because of her costume, she and I could bond because she was in blackface and I was black. She thought I knew what it was like to be a black chick from the hood. No, sorry, I grew up in Syracuse, NY. The only thing hood about there is that you should wear one when it snows. And for some people who don’t know, there… Read more »
Seriously, I’m flabbergasted at the level of ignorance in here. People are acting like this crap is harmless fun when it isn’t.
People of colour really need to decolonise their minds and start thinking about this stuff critically because we’re really contributing to our own destruction by ignoring stereotypical depictions like these.
Amen. It amazes me how some people – especially those of color – are quick to write off this whole issue as being unimportant. If it weren’t offensive and degrading to those specific racial minorities, then it would not be an issue…smh I honestly didn’t know that the white woman was dressed as Lil Wayne; I just thought that she was dressed as what she assumed to be some “[ghetto] black person.” What bothers me most about these costumes besides the fact that they are stereotypical is that they represent the over-generalizations and misconceptions that these people have about people… Read more »
but ask yourself.. what is the point of halloween?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody who gets it! I’m telling you, the next time I hear a black person in particular say “You take these things seriously don’t you?” or “Chill, it’s just light banter”, I swear, my hand will just marry that their face.
People with culture complain everytime a white person acts too ignorant yet they allow the dummest things to be said or done in great disrespect of their culture/lineage. Worse yet, it’s usually done by them -.-
Please Please Please people, please Wake Up and think.
+1000. I am trying hard to understand how the things you have mentioned could be deemed as harmless. And even if the white chick was trying to be Lil Wayne, black face is NOT ok.
ROTFLMAO!!!! “Some of these Herman Cain-like comments” LOL!!! Yup, he’s uber brainwashed and too deep into the lie to see the light.
I think some of you are viewing this from an overly, almost charitable liberal viewpoint. It’s great when you live in a multi-cultural, diverse and well intergrated city where this can be openly discussed and cultures borrow and learn from each other in an innocuous, friendly manner. However, there are places where this just does not happen, where non-minority people are only too happy to don blackface, geisha make-up or traditional costume and parade it as weird/other. Halloween is a time where people dress up as monsters, ghouls and mythical creatures as well as public figures deemed admirable or suitable… Read more »
Did yall see the story on CN? about the hubby that threatend to leave his pregnant wife because he doesn’t like her natural hair.. So sad, all I could do was just shake my head and pray for that lady.
http://www.curlynikki.com/2011/10/we-will-not-lose-our-love-our-marriage.html#comments
Yeah it’s sad that alot of people will wear a costume to make fun of that person or religion racism is definitely alive and running. Some make it obvious while others do it behind your back. Just like something I saw on The View talking about halloween costume that’s being called in to get is the Casey Anthony as the most hated. But I don’t think it would be wise to buy it considering that she got away with murder,and some folks might do there own justice to the wrong person who happened to be seen wearing it..
Its just insensitive!
I thought the costumes were hilarious, especially the Muslim character. I am sure if some non white dressed up like Heidi with blonde pig tails and a milk maids dress, no one would care a bit. Stereotypes are funny and even funnier to poke at, and every group has it. My motto is if you can’t laugh at yourself then you shouldn’t laugh at anyone else.
My problem with the ad is that the people look very sad and defeated over what are arguably ignorant/silly costumes. I don’t like the message that something as trivial as a costume (which may have had little thought put into in in terms of the message it conveys) can defeat our spirit.
If you’re a person of colour and you’re sitting there making excuses for people who wear racist Halloween costumes, I honestly feel sorry for you.
You can say that again! Such a bunch of cowards.
THANK YOU!!!! What is wrong with people??? I don’t even have the time to type a comment to them either lol
ok.. but someone could also say if some black women could put the Indian or the asian hair hair down.
I feel this whole think needs to be dissect.
I am not making excuses but you can’t look at one without the other.
Seriously??? There are much bigger issues in the world than some other ethnicity wearing an afro wig for Halloween. In that case Indian and Chinese women should be up in arms with all the black women parading around with their hair on their heads pretending to not have kinky hair underneath!
LOL yes!
Apples and Oranges Anon.
I do not support the movement!!! Lol! C’mon people! It’s HALLOWEEN for goodness sake! Let’s all just lighten up…and go get some candy!!!
I’m increasingly disturbed by a point many here seem to be missing. If you see something as a problem, my failure to see it that way does not mean that a problem doesn’t exist. If someone has done something you find offensive, the fact that I don’t/wouldn’t find it offensive does not mean that no offense occurred. If someone does something you find dishonorable out of a misguided or ill-conceived intent to pay homage, my failure to understand why you’re insulted does not nullify or undo the insult. If this was a matter of law or the breach thereof, every… Read more »
“Ignorance of the law does not excuse breaking the law.” Meaning that if you don’t know the law, there are enough resources available and easily enough accessed that you can remedy your ignorance quite easily and avoid breaking the law.
“This particular case is a matter of having/not having empathetic respect for each other and others’ cultures and cultural sensitivities and practices.”
Cygnet- Well said!! Peace and Blessings to you! Your empathetic spirit shines brilliantly!
I love, love, LOVE this campaign!!!!!!!! Needs to be a PSA in every town, every where in this country.
Where’s the white kid with the picture of an African American male in a cowboy costume? Oh that’s right; you can’t take a picture of an African American making fun of ‘honkies’ or ‘rednecks’. Where’s the picture of the guy dressed up as a woman being held up by a woman? Where the picture of the fat girl holding a picture of someone in a fat suit. I mean seriously, I’m offended a hundred times a day by someone who is considered a “minority” but I just have to suck it up. Because there’s no such thing as racism against… Read more »
amen!!!!!! If you can be up in arms about a “costume” then so can whites!..if you’re going to be fair, then be fair all across the board!!
History lesson: there were black cowboys.
I know there were black cowboys, and that would be fine, but when you are dressing up as a cowboy named bubba who screws his sister, then you’re a racist. And that is what I was referencing.
I don’t think that applies here since no one thinks all white people are incestuous rednecks, but I’ve met plenty of people who think all Muslims are terrorists and all black people are ghetto, even to the point where they told me that I’m “not really black” or I’m “not one of those scary black people” because I don’t act like a stereotype.
That is not true. At all there are plenty of people that I have met that have that perception about white people. If your going to be fair be fair across the board is right. I honestly if they are going to start pointing out insensitivities to cultures it should be all cultures. But why stop there how about fat costumes, gender costumes, or job costumes. I see their point, but you when you start something like this then you have to understand that everyone will need there say on what they find offensive and misrepresentative of there minority, weight,… Read more »
“At all there are plenty of people that I have met that have that perception about white people.”
LOL If those people aren’t from the Deep South and don’t own a TV, never listened to the radio, and never picked up a magazine then that’s a little sad. I’ve always seen white people represented as educated and “normal” for the most part, but maybe it’s just what I’m watching.
Bravo Ohio State!
This is off topic, but a great deal of these comments seem like their coming from ignorant people of color or people who are not of color.
You have to be real foolish if you think those costumes weren’t in some way offensive. If you don’t think so, pick up a real history book.
If a black person dressed up as a Jewish holocaust victim there would be outrage.
Quoted: “A great deal of these comments seem like their coming from ignorant people of color or people who are not of color.”
ITA!!!!! That is EXACTLY what I thought when I read these!
I think you miss understand. People think wrong but enough to go up in arms about. I mean. I can easily get offended by nurse costumes for my nurse friends, and fat costumes, friends who are over weight, or female slut costumes that guys wear, and even redneck costumes which these ad seems to negated from the list of cultures. But why there are far more serious problems to be concerned about than a one day costume. That is were I think they are coming from. I think the problem more lies in the fact that not everyone is going… Read more »
Sorry correction one my first two sentences.
“I think you maybe misunderstanding. People think it is wrong, but not enough to go up in arms about.”
Sooo blacks who don’t find these costumes are “ignorant”. I’m sorry but I just don’t see the serious issue here. Its just a costume that will be worn for ONE day. There are plenty of other important issues that are worth getting angry about. Isn’t there a very important election coming up in less than a year? But nooo people want to get hung up on a jackass pretending to ride a burro. True some of these maybe offense (which IMO the most offensive is the Muslim) but can’t people understand there will ALWAYS be stereotypes and racism. There will… Read more »
Chicky, I agree with you that there will always be stereotypes and racism, but that should not be used as an excuse to sit on the sidelines and do nothing about it. There is more to this issue then just wearing an offensive Halloween costume. It is about standing up against the racial stereotypes that infiltrate our nation and have made us into a people divided instead of a people united. A person’s culture is at the heart of who they are; when you diminish a person’s culture you are diminishing that person and therefore perpetuating the racial system that… Read more »
We are a country obsessed with overcoming racism and stereotypes, it’s a bit disgusting. More money goes into diversity and social justice campaigns than into feeding the homeless. Let’s make sure no one in our country is dying of starvation and that everyone has a roof over their heads before we tackle these issues which pale in comparison. No point in defending a person’s ethnic background if they are dead.
“We are a country obsessed with overcoming racism and stereotypes, it’s a bit disgusting.”–Lol!
You are hilarious!
You are forgetting one racial group, the majority racial group in fact. White people. Let’s not think that they don’t get ridiculed or stereotyped. I am sure there will be plenty of hillbillies this Halloween, as well as every Halloween hereafter.
If you let things like this get so serious that you need a campaign against it, you are way too sensitive. Find a sense of humor and let it go. There are too many important things to worry about than one day of the year where people have license to be foolish.
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You notice it’s the white people dressing up like this….smh!
This is a brilliant idea! Way to go on responding back!
Kudos to the students at OU! I went to Denison, so I’ve been there, done that with the crazy costumes (whether it was halloween or not!). I hope the media picks up on this, and blows it up. I can’t believe people think this is ok.
Loved the campaign.
To people who aren’t offended, then you don’t understand the point! A stereotype is NOT a costume. You cannot wear a culture’s clothing or a stereotype of a culture’s clothing and deem it a “costume”. It is insulting and degrading to the culture. This is a culture/ethnicity/religion…not a Peter Pan costume. It’s not “just” Halloween, “just” for fun or “just” a silly. I’m honestly so shocked that people are not offended. PS to the people that said something like, “there are other issues in the world!!” … the fact that other issues besides racism exist IS NOT a counter argument… Read more »
This girl dress as lil’wayne but I find Lil wayne music, character to be offensive and he is black.
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Does this mean that ethnic people will stop dressing as Europeans for Halloween? I mean some could find a non euprpean person in a traditional European “French maid” costume as offensive? Or how about people who dress as lepercons… Do the scotch/ Irish find that offensive… I mean the Irish have been victims for centuries, their is still conflict between the north and south. How about all the “kiss me I’m Irish tshirts and red wigs worn during saint Patrick’s day?? Now how about a person who chooses to study bellying dancing, if they are not the decent of the… Read more »