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How Hair Typing Helps and Hurts the Natural Hair Community

Avatar • Jun 7, 2014

by Kelsey of Lifewithcoco2
natural hair texture discrimination

Before going natural, I had never heard of a hair typing system. Everyone I knew had a perm and our hair pretty much did the same thing: bone straight when wet and puffed up at the roots when it was time for a new relaxer. When I decided to go natural, I stumbled upon a website that had a list of different hair types from 2a (being bone straight) until 4c (being kinky). It also listed different types of products that were suited to use for each hair type and how to generally take care of your hair.

In the beginning of my journey, I found the hair typing list to be quite helpful in regards to developing my own hair care regimen. Once I figured that out, I didn’t give hair typing a second thought. Soon after, I began to notice that I had 3 different hair types. Also, I learned just because someone with my similar, “hair type” used a certain product on their hair didn’t mean it would work for me.

As time went on, I noticed an underlying division in the natural hair community regarding the different hair types. I’ve observed  those who are not natural are often hesitant to do so because of fear of having a “less desired“ hair type. From my understanding, part of going natural is to embrace who you are and love your natural self. It seems as if there are still certain beauty standards even within the natural hair community, which seem to be linked to the hair typing system.

What are your thoughts? Where did those standards come from? Do you think there are division in the natural hair community partially caused by the hair typing system? Do you benefit from the hair typing system?

About Kelsey: I’m Kelsey Janae aka Lifewithcoco2, I love all things natural hair. I seek to inspire and educate using my knowledge of all things hair, health, and beauty. My goal is to encourage women and men to always be the best version of themselves.

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jay
jay
6 years ago

some of these recent articles seem forced, for lack of a better word. It was so short and really didn’t say anything in my opinion.

la*belle
la*belle
6 years ago
Reply to  jay

Yes, a regurgitation of a lot of information widely known seems to be the direction most of these new articles are heading.
Pity, I used to look forward to catching up on the latest in the natural hair world.

Akilah
6 years ago

I think this is 1/10th of what is actually going on here. Sure, you could say people only shared the photo because of hair typing–but it could also be length bias, skin tone discrimination, the color of the hair ETC., ETC.,

People don’t typically share images more or less because of the caption below. They share because they are biased towards some images rather than others. I bet if you did a legitimate experiment without caption, the result would have been the same.

J4L4N
J4L4N
6 years ago
Reply to  Akilah

Exactly. There could be a millions reason why one pic/video gets more like than the other and without legitimate experiments being done it’s just speculation and projection.

Lana
Lana
6 years ago
Reply to  Akilah

I agree with you that the author’s opinion does not equate to a legitimate experiment , however, call it common sense or experience but I believe the combination of the things you listed ‘…length bias, skin tone discrimination, the color of the hair’ is the reason one image has more likes/shares than the other. I think whether we realize it or not a lot of us unconsciously prefer the image that is closest to the european standard of beauty; the standard that we see daily especially among famous black females and that is constantly marketed to us even in advertisements… Read more »

Mere
Mere
6 years ago
Reply to  Akilah

I agree. I don’t think it’s wise to look at this issue in isolation. There are other factors that come into play.

haley
6 years ago
Reply to  Akilah

agreed…Also, variables like the number of followers each lady has, how many times they shared the photos on their social media, etc. has been glossed over. When it comes to likes/shares marketing is a factor, not just the photo. There is also that the woman on the left has a full face of make-up and is obviously showing more than just the hair & we can’t quite see the face of the woman on the right. Sure, curl bias & discrimination may exist but comparing the sharing/likes of these two photos doesn’t make a case for it.

Ej
Ej
6 years ago

Me being a “4c” hair rocker have dealt with this many times its sad. Think about it blacks have FINALLY embraced their natural side and arent trying to look like someone else then someone decides that the closer the hair looks to straight the better so it’s like we embraced it but really didnt cause now we are trying to fit in this example of the people who said are hair was too nappy in the first place. BLACKS took two steps forward and one step back with the natural hair movement. Luckily you have bloggers that rock their kinkier… Read more »

Je'Niece McCullough
Je'Niece McCullough
6 years ago

I haven’t experienced any discrimination, but my friends who have a much less kinky texture than I don’t seem to understand when I say that my hair is work. I guess if I had to say a type, I’d say I’m a 4c and I just cannot wash and go like some of my friends can. They insist on arguing with me by saying yes I can. The truth is I cannot. They don’t see me working on my hair. Where they can just add water and get a curl, I must add product and manipulate my hair to achieve… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
6 years ago

I meant to thumbs up. Silly phone! Sorry.

JenniD
JenniD
6 years ago

I don’t understand comments like this. What makes our 4b/c texture more work? I can add some water and gel to my 4c hair and call it a day just as your friends if I wanted to. The out come will be the same- Your hair ‘s true texture presented as is. No it won’t just curl up into little ringlets. Lol why would it? Better question is why would I want it to? You don’t HAVE to sit there and manipulate your hair into twist out/ braid outs, you are CHOOSING to take a more complicated route. A big… Read more »

May
May
6 years ago
Reply to  JenniD

@JennieD I don’t think you can really judge that person for saying it takes more effort to do her hair, nor do I think it’s self-hate or whatever people imply. It’s a fact that straight hair detangles easily, and my own 3c hair takes effort in comparison, and my sister’s 4b/c hair takes even more because it tangles as you detangle. It’s not about putting her hair into ringlets or whatever, the issue but the amount of care needed to insure it’s healthy. Today I was putting her hair into a simple ponytail and had to put more product than… Read more »

JenniD
JenniD
6 years ago
Reply to  May

I’m not judging I’m just saying hair can become “work” if you make it that way. All styles take effort but it shouldn’t be seen as work. That makes it sound like a part time job. The amount of care to keep any hair healthy is actually minimal for any hair type. Hair is dead you can only try to preserve it as much as you can. Since you gave the example of the simple pony tail for your sister, I ask if it took a lot of effort and more product just to get her hair in a smooth… Read more »

eve-audrey
eve-audrey
6 years ago
Reply to  May

Straight hair does not always detangle easily have ever tried to detangle matted or very tangled straight hair?
I did and i could not detangle it. So it depends on the person.

eve-audrey
eve-audrey
6 years ago
Reply to  eve-audrey

You

Bonita
Bonita
6 years ago
Reply to  JenniD

This is 100% true. Naturals need to stop saying their hair is so much work…

Je'Niece McCullough
Je'Niece McCullough
6 years ago
Reply to  JenniD

That’s cool that you don’t understand. We obviously have different experiences. And I never said I had an issue with the fact that it’s work. I simply said it is work. And I said so because it is. I wore a perm for years and found that to be much less maintenance on my hair. I know others who cannot say the same. As I said, I cannot put water and gel in my hair and go. And I don’t say this because I expect it to become curly and coiled, but because water alone will seem good while wet,… Read more »

Mercy
Mercy
6 years ago

this is so sad.. so true..and painful to read, the self-hated has been so ingrained in us its going to take time for it to get better, personally i don’t watch natural hair tutorials if her hair is not similar to miness..I dislike the hair typing chart. it hasn’t been a help to me.. I see the division.. I am hoping it gets better.

J4L4N
J4L4N
6 years ago

1.This is correlation without causation at its finest. How do you know one didn’t receive more or less likes simply because one recieved more or less views. I can’t like a video I’ve never seen even if I would like it if I’d seen it. 2. How can texture discrimination be the cause when you can’t see either ladies true texture? When you put two pics/video side by side like this it makes it easier to critic the small details of the style and I would like the one on the left before the one on the right. Their texture has… Read more »

LBell
LBell
6 years ago

*sigh* Let’s try this again… There is nothing wrong with hair typing and classifications when they are being used from an OBJECTIVE standpoint. The problem comes when 1) SUBJECTIVE judgements are placed on certain types and categories and 2) people are unwilling or unable to let go of those subjective positions, whether they’re applying them to their own hair or to others’. Hair typing is meant to be a MEANS to an end, not the end itself. It lets you know that hey, new natural, these women (let’s call them group X) have a hair texture that’s similar to yours, and… Read more »

Christina Patrice
6 years ago
Reply to  LBell

LBell, on point per usual. I personally grow rather tired of the texture discrimination conversation, and I typically only bring up “typing” unless someone asks. In truth, I just don’t care that much. You are 137% spot on in the objective vs subjective classification. Hair typing is a tool, not a hierarchical structure. You hit the nail right on the head — we’ve dragged that good/bad hair conversation over to natural hair. Not only does it stem from a history of having European standards of beauty imposed on us, it is also rooted in our limited comprehension of things beyond… Read more »

cacey
cacey
6 years ago

as for that dichotomy of polar opposites, i blame european language and culture for that. they don’t have a concept of “gray”, and they transferred that very limited thinking onto the rest of the world. the real free peoples.

Dananana
Dananana
6 years ago
Reply to  LBell

Well said on all points, LBell! If it isn’t our lifetime (*sigh*), maybe the next generation will get over this hump. I hate thinking that though, because I feel like my parent’s generation thought the same thing when when they were my age about other issues that face our community.

Nappy 4C Rocks
Nappy 4C Rocks
6 years ago
Reply to  LBell

sorry no revolution…never…we had the opportunity and squander it

Lily Madu
Lily Madu
6 years ago

I suspect most people who go natural hope they have type 3 hair. It comes closer to what many consider ‘mainstream beauty’ and appears to be easier to manage.

Latoya
Latoya
6 years ago

It always helps to have many references and examples. In the beginning of my journey I hardly found many examples of natural hair similar to my own. I have type 4 hair and was always putting so much effort into defining and getting my hair to clump and curl, hoping to get that type 3 look. It also didn’t help that even though I consider myself black, people in my community would point out that I am mixed, and question the texture and nature of my hair and my decision to go natural in the first place. “When are you… Read more »

ilham
ilham
6 years ago

Personally i think both look beautiful. I would like both and share them even though my hair texture is different. Its the style that matters the most. Maybe the picture is not about hair discrimination. Maybe its about aspiring to have something you don’t have and appreciating it. Humans will always want something that is slightly out of their reach. So instead of starting a debate about hair hierarchy we should just appreciate our differences and celebrate it. I really believe we should go forward not backwards. We have come along way!!

Melanie
Melanie
6 years ago

Hi! I’ve wondered the same thing… Just so you know, I’m a 3C/4A not that this means anything except that I have loopy spirals for curls vs. a more zig zag wave like my mother’s hair. I went natural about Mmmmmm, six or seven years ago (*wow*) and, like Kelsey, I felt for the time that knowing that type helped me get acquainted in the natural hair universe. When I looked at the models rocking the tight twist outs like our model to the right I really wanted to snap up that look. But couldn’t. It’s just not a possibility for… Read more »

Jumoké
6 years ago
Reply to  Melanie

Love!!

Ouida Cordell
Ouida Cordell
6 years ago

I think discrimination in the natural hair community is in two parts. The first part is texture, the hair types that curl easily are preferred. The longer hair regardless of texture is preferred.

gigi
6 years ago

The amounts of likes in each photo can possibly be the result of many variables. For example; one has more followers/views than the other, or hair length preferences. I don’t think we should assume that the amount of likes are based solely on the hair texture. Like someone mentioned, how can we even know the true texture of their hair when both hair styles are manipulated? While I don’t think hair typing is necessary, the hair typing system itself is not the issue. It’s how people choose to use the system. I can see how it can help in terms… Read more »

B3 Fearless
B3 Fearless
6 years ago

I agree about believing that the natural hair movement is about embracing who you are and loving yourself as God made you. I think the hair typing system is helpful as a starting point for new naturals to get an idea about their hair texture and determine the products that would generally be beneficial to their hair. I used it similarly to how the author of this article used it. I believe there are divisions within the natural hair community over the issues of whether hair typing is beneficial to the community and should be the standard. But I don’t believe there… Read more »

Melanie
Melanie
6 years ago
Reply to  B3 Fearless

We have to stop policing and judging those who do…” Yes! Yes! Yes! Right on. This has been a struggle for me to not show my sour face when girlfriends of mine have gone back to relaxers. They have made the choice that’s right for them. I need to support that.
<3

Vivi35
Vivi35
6 years ago

The natural hair movement was supposed to enhance and celebrate Black girs’beauty. It was supposed to restore our younger sister’s self-esteem by telling them how beautiful they are, by telling them there’s nothing to be sorry about. After being told for years and years that we didn’t deseerve to be called beautiful, we finally discovered the beauty of one of the most important feminine attributes, our hair. Yet, the natural hair movement was about much more than hair. That was about celebrating our Blackness. A Blackness without compromise. I thought the day finally came when Black girls stopped being alienated by… Read more »

Deb
Deb
6 years ago
Reply to  Vivi35

Your comment is 100% true and it hurts my heart. Almost makes me want to cry. I don’t care about changing the black community or the rest of the world, how do we really start to change the way we as black women, girls and teens think about our hair without waiting on everyone else to validate us? Is it even possible? Once again, my heart hurts.

J.Nicole
6 years ago

I can’t say I benefit from the hair typing system; it’s usually the last resort when considering a product or style. I just pay attention to what my hair likes and what I notice is beneficial. It’s hard to say on the outside why someone would share one image over the other. I’d be naive not to acknowledge that unfortunately there still are some people who prefer or obsess over a looser curl pattern then one that’s more kinky. That way of thinking has been going on for a very long time; there’s a larger issue that won’t be resolved… Read more »

Shanna B
Shanna B
6 years ago

Mmmm I watched the 3 strand twist video on the left (Alyssa with the lighter hair). To be fair, she did this on hair that had to have been blow dried or severely heat damaged because her hair was like kinkier with loose curled ends. And her video quality is stellar. I also watched some of the 4b/c girls do it and the quality of the video generally wasn’t as good. You couldn’t even see some of them were doing. I think a better example wouldve been Taren, who’s videos are very popular although her hair is so unique to her… Read more »

Darlyn
Darlyn
6 years ago

As someone with 4C hair, hair typing has definitely worked for me.

Also, it hasn’t in a way. For example, I tried using a moisturizing method that a woman with fine 4C hair used. It didn’t work because I have very thick & coarse hair.

coffeeandfingernails
6 years ago

I wouldn’t say the divisions are linked to the hair typing system. The hair typing system is used in service of divisions that have long existed. I think people are far too pessimistic on this. At 34 years old when I think of the difference in attitude towards natural hair of any type when I was growing up and now it blows my mind. It would be naive to think that the messages we grew up with would completely disappear in a few years. Of course there are remnants and of course the Right Curl would replace Straight as the… Read more »

Puff
6 years ago

As stated by others it’s hard to tell exactly what is going on but what I can say is that it is deeper than just hair. You notice that these two ladies are also different complexions. That certainly can play into people’s preferences as colorism is a huge issue not only in the Black community but around the world (I highly recommend watching Dark Girls which did a good job addressing many issues with colorism). If this were just about hair you would really have to take two photos of just the hair (no face), same color, same composition and… Read more »

Krys
Krys
6 years ago

I have seen this and experience this in my life. If I had a dime for everytime someone has told me you have a nice grade of hair or your hair is soft, or I could never where my hair like yours it is truly sad beauty is more than hair or skin or body type. I dislike hair typing it segregats us. However we continue to do it travel outside the USA and you see all colors all hair types I could care less about a grade I want to learn your nature
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Erin Lloyd
Erin Lloyd
6 years ago
Reply to  Krys

To Krys,
I apologize for the thumbs down. I was trying to hit the thumbs up and that happened. I guess trying to do things on your cell isn’t always the greatest. You are a beautiful!

Brianne
Brianne
6 years ago
Reply to  Krys

We were separated long before the typing system came into play. It was called ‘good hair’ vs ‘coarse/rough/bad hair’. I don’t subscribe to the whole ‘good hair’ thing, I’m just making a point. This separation and grouping needs to stop though.

Nicole
Nicole
6 years ago

I’ve come to peace with the fact that, like someone said above, the natural movement has become is “black but not black enough.” I can’t help but feel, however, that girls with looser textures have “usurped,” if you will, the movement from those of us with kinkier textures. It seems as if we’ve paved the way, but now they get the credit for it.

oohhh
oohhh
6 years ago
Reply to  Nicole

What hair gurus were there that lost their fame because of people with “looser texture”? What websites were dedicated solely to 4C hair?

Nicole
Nicole
6 years ago
Reply to  oohhh

Hi, I don’t mean that any one has lost their fame, but let’s keep it one hundred percent all the way real and raw, looser textures have ALWAYS been able to shine. There was never any “struggle” for acceptance in the public (this is not to say that they havent had personal struggles with their hair, because we ALL have) for people with looser hair. But now that people with kinkier textures have paved the way, have reclaimed their beauty, have REJECTED societal norms, the only people who are getting shine are looser textures. But as I said, it is… Read more »

Ms Vee
Ms Vee
6 years ago
Reply to  Nicole

@nicole I completely agree. However I’m going to have to call black women out on what we cosign …yes that’s right we don’t get off scot-free. This whole hair texture discrimination is also facilitated by the fact that so many black women still gravitate to and covet hair that is deemed “not too black/kinky”. There’s still this subconscious need to want to be somewhat validated by mainstream white society. Lets just be honest here. The result is many black women try to live vicariously through women with the more “acceptable” curl while simultaneously handing them a pedestal. Now Im not… Read more »

Aly
Aly
6 years ago

This article needs to be more than 3 paragraphs. It’s like she lit a fire and walked away. No reasoning or analysis in this article.

Kelsey
Kelsey
6 years ago
Reply to  Aly

that was the point. I dont want to write articles that tell people what to think. I want a conversation to start. I want people to talk about it, talk through it and get whatever they can get out of it.

Hop
Hop
6 years ago

WHY blame this on “black” people? What about “biracial” and “Latina” women?

Also, I am in a room full of Black people and most of them are not 4C. Step away from the idea that 4C represent “most” blacks.

4a, in love
4a, in love
6 years ago

Because of texture differences these are totally different hairstyles. If your hair is 3c then many of your style results will appeal to hair types 2a-3c. The first twist-out looks like something that could be achieved with a curling wand/iron. I can see that appealing to all sorts of people, not just “naturals.” If you have type 4 hair (as I do) then you are probably looking for people with similar hair. If you choose to film a style that has more mainstream results you will probably get more views. However, if you choose a strictly Type 4 style (please… Read more »

Starr99
Starr99
6 years ago

I’m so TIRED of hearing about discrimination being against ONLY type 4 hair. People discriminate against type 3’s and other hair types as well and more than you know. Here’s an example. Jouelzy’s video has close to 70,000 views right now and has only been out a month while lovelytootychels video has been out for almost half a year and she only has 15,600 views. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that it’s because of hair type that Jouelzy has so much more views. I guess because Chel’s has type 3 hair people see the title… Read more »

CurlsForTheGirls
CurlsForTheGirls
6 years ago
Reply to  Starr99

YES! Agree 100%

me
me
6 years ago
Reply to  Starr99

Texture discrimination does exist across hair types but that photo is not proof of anything. One clearly has more subscribers(90,000+) and that specific video of Joelzy’s has been shared and embedded on multiple websites which contributes to the views.

Brianne
Brianne
6 years ago
Reply to  me

I think that was the point. Jouelzy’s video spread like wild fire because she’s a 4c talking about texture discrimination. Chel’s video didn’t because she was a 3b talking about texture discrimination. If Chel’s had type 4b/4c her video wouldn’t hit every blog too.

Anon87
Anon87
6 years ago
Reply to  Starr99

I’m sorry but I don’t see it. Please explain to me what type of discrimination type 3 and looser textured hair ladies face in the natural hair community that is soley based on their hair texture? Serious question.

JazzWife
6 years ago
Reply to  Anon87

The most important discrimination is the “not black enough” argument that 3s often face. How dare anyone determine that how black someone else is. As a 4, I am particularly saddened to see the backlash against 3s whose hair is simply their hair. Our community has long been obsessed with hair length and texture. Why are we casting “blame” on anyone? Why do we not value the texture we have? Why do we covet the texture of others? Why can we not simply accept that which we have? And why are we upset with others who have a looser texture… Read more »

Brianne
Brianne
6 years ago
Reply to  Anon87

Type 3’s do experience texture discrimination. There are a lot of people who feel type 3 hair is too kinky. Have you ever been to the DR? There are a lot of type 3 girls who experience discrimination all over the world because of their type 3 hair. I know a 3b who was asked to relax, flat iron her hair or wear a wig by a english lady who had interview her. She told my friend she got the job but she needed to do something about her hair because they wanted strictly straight hair in their work enviorment.… Read more »

Fisher
Fisher
6 years ago
Reply to  Starr99

Well there are a lot of 4b cs in the world so Jouelzy appeals to them. Jouelzy has been around for a while now. Her hair styling videos are really great, to the point and nicely filmed. It’s quite right that 4c women do not watch the other woman because her hair type is so far away from ours and that is not what our hair will do when the same techniques are applied. 3 types have an abundance of YT people out there for them so they become much more choosy based on editing styles, personalities and how close… Read more »

Cha
Cha
6 years ago

I was actually seriously considering cutting my relaxer off into a brush cut and going natural this weekend. Thank you all so much for sharing your various experiences and points of view. I will be stopping by the beauty supply store on my way home for my relaxer. This is way too overrated and discouraging. I have a very busy life outside my hair regimen and I refuse to put that amount of energy into my hair. As long as mine is healthy enough for my liking, I’m good. good luck to you all

anastasia
anastasia
6 years ago
Reply to  Cha

You are going to let comments from strangers determine whether or not you relax your hair or begin your natural hair journey? You must be WEAK!! #byefelicia

Elle
Elle
6 years ago
Reply to  Cha

Grow up, own your own choices! I don’t know whether to pity you for calculating that a 4‑part process involving vinyl gloves, neutralizer and caustic chemicals on your scalp is less energy than confronting the hair growing from your head, or for playing the blame game and lying to yourself that YOUR CHOICE to continue perming is anything but you not wanting to return to your natural texture. I’m not sure who’ve you rehearsed this false rationale for, yourself or for some naturals in your life you’ve decided need an explanation, but no one’s buying “I was going to go… Read more »

alberta atieno
alberta atieno
6 years ago

I personally think that this conversation is more than a little pointless. As a 4b/4c natural myself, i do notice that most natural hairstyles aim at replicating a particular aesthetic specifically that of curly and/or straight hair and concealing any hint of kinky hair texture. I personally quit attempting to achieve any sort of curl, coil or pin straight style because my hair does not comply. As a huge youtube fan, i do appreciate all hair types but i often wonder…Why like the dupe of anything when the original will always look so much better? I am convinced that when… Read more »

Lanetta
Lanetta
6 years ago
Reply to  alberta atieno

This is so sad. What was meant to be a movement and journey to unite, encourage, and support black women has eventually turned into divisions, envy, and arguments. Disappointing and unfortunately not surprising. Why can’t for once prove to ourselves, our children, and other races that we all get along and love on one another? Smh.

Elle
Elle
6 years ago
Reply to  Lanetta

We’re still growing, still at the starting line. Some people have a pessimistic, critical ‘give up’ attitude, but IMO all is not lost at the first sign of trouble. What’s ‘disappointing and unfortunately not surprising’ is the instant gratification, win-or-lose attitude applied to Black women. We seldom get multiple chances to grow and succeed like others, huh? We’re human. We’re going to have struggles, disagreements, arguments, Rome wasn’t built in a day. And FYI: we’ve always been proud monuments of self-love, we wouldn’t be here today if that weren’t true. And when you know something, no need to “prove” it to… Read more »

Crystal
Crystal
6 years ago
Reply to  alberta atieno

This is sooooooooooo true. But my thing is I’m so tired of type 4 girls making light of type 3 girls hair struggle. What I’m also tired of is hearing how they’re embracing their kinky-coily, coily-coarse hair but then they’re doing twist outs and bantu knots trying to replicate type 3 hair. Type 4 hair is gorgeous, it’s kinky, coily, sometimes coarse but it’s always beautiful. I love seeing gorgeous, fully coarse, kinky and coily hair. Why say you’re embracing your hair and teaching young girls to embrace their hair when you’re doing styles to replicate a texture that you… Read more »

Dananana
Dananana
6 years ago
Reply to  Crystal

Go ahead and voice your opinion, but please keep in mind that a good portion, dare I say a majority, of kinky-haired ladies are not just doing twist-outs to replicate curls.

I’m “type 4” (seriously y’all, most of us are multitextured ‑___-), and I do twist-outs to avoid knots and tangling. That’s it. My twist-outs are big and undefined, and I prefer them that way. No curl envy here.

Lisa Coston
Lisa Coston
6 years ago

I’ve been natural a little over an year now but do dye my hair like ever 3 months. Can someone please tell me what is my hair type
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Chris
Chris
6 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Coston

4c

Abstract
Abstract
6 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Coston

I think it’s hard to tell unless you examine the hair while wet and product free. You may also need to look at individual strands to more closely see in what shape the hair bends.

Elodie
Elodie
6 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Coston

She is asking for some help. Why do you thumbs down her ? This following link should help you to détermine what is your hair type: http://www.naturalhairrules.com/hair-type/

There are many articles on the topic, of course on BGLH but you just have to type : natural hair types andre walker in a search engine and you will find plenty resources.

It is not easy to détermine your hair type only with a partial picture especially if you dye your hair. You’d better do it yourself. I hope I helped.

Brianne
Brianne
6 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Coston

A little over a year and that’s the longest your hair is???? Obviously you aren’t retaining length. I’ve been natural for exactly 1 year and have 12 inches of hair. Lay off the hair coloring and deep condition more hun, take a multivitamin and maybe a hair, skin and nails vitamin.

Dananana
Dananana
6 years ago
Reply to  Brianne

Really? Maybe retaining length isn’t a main goal of hers…where do you come off with this? And you’re lying about either the length of time you’ve been natural or the length of your hair. Even deviating from averages, the most you could likely retain in a year is 10 inches. Some of that length you have is from transitioning, boo.

lexibugg
lexibugg
6 years ago
Reply to  Brianne

Maybe she prefers a short style..not every natural aspires to tail bine length hair.…

Chel
Chel
6 years ago
Reply to  Brianne

You do realize hair grows at different speeds for everyone right? And that some people are obsessive trimmers of their ends. There was definitely a better way you could have worded all that. No need to make her feel low.

Hannah
Hannah
6 years ago
Reply to  Brianne

You’re kinda mean

juanicole617
juanicole617
6 years ago
Reply to  Lisa Coston

Coston — from the picture it’s really hard to tell. It looks like 4b/c.…I’ve noticed that some hair dyes alter your curl pattern. My colored ends are looser than my roots mainly because my hair is older on the ends but I can see a slight difference between my colored hair and my 3 inches of growth. Like others said.. google hair typing or use this site.. you’ll see what category you may lie around.. no one is exactly what the chart is.. it’s just good to know how close you are to know how to care for your hair. 🙂

TWA4now
TWA4now
6 years ago

I love all hair types! We have something to learn from each other’s different textures. I think appreciating each other’s difference will draw us closer. That is what SHOULD matter.

Brittany
Brittany
6 years ago

The biggest thing wrong with the Natural community I am noticing is, EVERYONE WANTS TO BE FAMOUS. Who cares how many shares you got? Who cares how many views someone had? There is literally no “natural hair tutorial” that brings new stuff two the table. Lets face it, regardless of texture, a 2‑Strand twist out is the same twist out WE’VE ALL SEEN BEFORE. Unless you’re a new start up/self made company, people on YouTube and Facebook need to go ahead and have a stadium full of seats. Stop trying to become the next “Curly Nikki” and just be happy… Read more »

Taiwo
6 years ago
Reply to  Brittany

Yes! You raise a very, very good point that it is definitely not about becoming the next “Curly Nikki” or “natural hair guru”, which is becoming a trend these days unfortunately. I notice that too. However, not everyone is wanting to be famous, or cares about the numbers they get through “shares” or “likes”. That is a pretty steep generalisation, because I can definitely speak for myself. When I started my own natural hair blog to document my journey last year and my Youtube channel this year, I was incredibly discouraged in both instances because all that I kept thinking… Read more »

Kelly Powell
Kelly Powell
6 years ago

This is a ridiculous conversation. As far as I see it, one fool makes many and I have joined the lot in even bothering to leave a comment. First off, i believe looking at the negative always amplifies it. These ‘Discriminators’ would not have so much of an impact if we ignored and pretended as if discrimination is silly. To sit down, analyze them (discriminators) and then wonder if you are the same, is way too confusing. Girl! As long as you big chopped, transitioned etc, and are struggling through (if you look at it that way) that back breaking… Read more »

brady
brady
6 years ago

I dont think its texture discrimination, many latinas and multiple other races have thick curly hair 3a,3c, etc so they have more thumbs up because of more viewers but the 4a,b,c type has less thumbs up because they are resticted mostly black people

pinkychocolate
pinkychocolate
6 years ago

Hi, i’m french and i can say that in france a large number of natural black girl have 4a-4b-4c hair. Some have 3abc but most of them are mixed. I envy a lot of girl with curly not kinky hair because when I watch some hairstyle tutorial I don’t achieve their look. It seems that i can’t do anything with my hair, even ponytail, it’s always afropuff ( every single day). I won’t come back to rleader but I’m really frustrated. Don’t know what to do.

Taiwo
6 years ago
Reply to  pinkychocolate

I truly hope I do not come across sounding rude, but how about watching videos specifically catered to your hair type or visiting blogs designed to uplift women with kinkier hair? As someone with kinky hair myself who big chopped my senior year of high school where the popular girls who were coveted were the curly heads, I was in the same boat as you. But it became extremely unhealthy for me to be envying women with hair unlike mine, so one day as I was watching a Youtube video with someone who had 3c hair, I suddenly asked myself… Read more »

Elodie
Elodie
6 years ago
Reply to  Taiwo

I don’t totally agree with you. Up to me, a woman with 4B/4C hair should have the right to watch a woman with 3A and vice versa…I mean I am sure we all (or at least in the majority) can give good hair care or hairstyles advice. As it is easier to find curly nappy…the 1st time I did a frohawk, I got the inspiration from a curly vlogger.. (I have 4C hair) and I was so happy! My hair did what a 4C hair does and OMG I was so happy…I never expected it to curl or anything. I… Read more »

Chrissie
Chrissie
6 years ago
Reply to  pinkychocolate

Bonjour Pinkychocolate! Je suis française aussi, je te conseille la chaîne de Beautiful Naturelle! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJS7wxfaY6U Elle est française, ses cheveux sont de type 4 et elle a plein d’idées coiffure! N’envie pas les filles aux cheveux 3abc, les cheveux 4 sont très beaux et je suis sûre que tu as de très beaux cheveux aussi! Je te conseille, après chaque shampoing, d’étirer tes cheveux (tu fais des tresses ou des vanilles sur cheveux mouillés, tu laisses sécher naturellement et le lendemain, tu défais les tresses ou vanilles et tu passes un coup de peigne). Puis, fais tes coiffures sur cheveux… Read more »

MJ
MJ
6 years ago
Reply to  pinkychocolate

Je suis d’accord avec Taiwo, c’est important qu’au lieu de suivre seulement les YouTubers avec les cheveux type 3, il faut chercher ceux qui font des videos pour ton type, sinon (comme moi avant) tu vas seulement detester tes cheveux parce que tu n’arrive pas à faire les coiffures comme les femmes avec les cheveux moins crépus. Il y a beaucoup de choses qu’on peut faire avec les cheveux type 4 (à part les puffs), meme de choses que les autres types ne peuvent pas faire avec leurs cheveux! I agree with Taiwo, it’s important that instead of only following… Read more »

Kemz
6 years ago

I think we need to go back to the basics of what it meant to go natural. I think the natural movement in the 70s is it what this current movement should aspire to be . It wasn’t about trying to make your natural hair look more European with curls and ringlets. but embracing the undefined hair and rocking it. How do we get to that point?
kemimag.blogspot.com

Puff
6 years ago
Reply to  Kemz

This is a good point. In the 70s, it seems as though Black people were outwardly (literally!) showing their blackness. On the other hand, many people were still manipulating their hair then by picking it out and pulling the curls out. I think hair will always be an accessory; a way to express your personality and current trends. True freedom will be when black people feel free to style their hair without societal pressure and without persecution through their job, family, friends and bystanders. I too would like to see a deemphasis on curl and more focus on just healthy hair… Read more »

Elodie
Elodie
6 years ago

The hair type system is obviously not flawless…but for now this is the only thing we’ve got…I could criticise but as I am not able to suggest something better I think I’m gonna shut my mouth. We have to understand that we are still at the beginning of the nappy movement so of course we still have to make some ajustements…as everything new we are searching…so the hair type system can be improved but for now this is not so bad…at least with it we got to understand that there was not only one type of hair but various with… Read more »

Dee Tubs
Dee Tubs
6 years ago

Well there is definitely texture discrimination in the black hair community. However, these two examples have too many different factors involved. Who are they? How many times was the photo/YouTube page shared? How many subscribers? The hair color is different. The lighting is different. The style is slightly different. It looks like two different hair lengths. An experiment needs to be conducted using the same products, hair color, hair length, by the same stylist, photographer, make up, etc., and maybe with one each, a 3b, 4a, & 4c hair types.

cacey
cacey
6 years ago
Reply to  Dee Tubs

i agree. i think lurking variables remain to be considered. the picture on the left is more much visually clear as well as eye-catching, in large part because of the girl’s highlights (yay! Her highlights are werking for her, doing what they’re supposed to do lol). the picture on the right is not nearly as visually defined and therefore naturally draws the eye less. but i think that the popularity of the photos might have more to do with the popularity of the vloggers themselves, as you said. i recognize Alyssa but i don’t recognize the girl on the right.… Read more »

Taylor
6 years ago

I think it is what it is. My sister who is fully Swedish. While I’m Swedish and bLack. Was told she couldn’t be a natural because she is white. That comment to me was more ignorant then the word ” nigga” . No matter what you are. If your hair is natural, untouched, etc, your a natural. My hair is very much on the less course side . And people also tell me I can’t be natural. Why? Because I’m not a 4c. Or however that system works. She be scared to wear certain styles just like a black girl would.… Read more »

TK
TK
6 years ago
Reply to  Taylor

^^^ Wow. No shade intended, but you really didn’t add to this discussion, though…

cacey
cacey
6 years ago
Reply to  Taylor

if you’re having issues understanding why people would tell your white sister that she can’t be “natural” then i think you fail to understand the very strong race politics that dictate and govern certain aspects of life in the united states and the Caribbean. The reason your sister can’t be “natural” is because that terminology, how it is used by us here on this blog, specifically relates to a natural hair identity within a set context of white supremacy and its detrimental effect on the collective esteem of none other than the descendants of enslaved black americans. “natural hair” was… Read more »

Bonita
Bonita
6 years ago
Reply to  Taylor

OMG…that doesn’t come close to being worse than the n word. Stop sounding ignorant.

Meme
Meme
6 years ago

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Meme
Meme
6 years ago

I have only been natural for a yr and i have no clue what hair type i have and honestly it never mattered. I look to youtube for styles because that was my biggest challenge. Having a perm all my life, i was at a loss for what to do with my hair. But through process of elimignation i have found what works for now wbith my hair. My friend who is also natural with a coarser texture was surprised that my hair curls when wet, i can do roller wraps wirh no heat and gel can make my edges… Read more »

jojo
jojo
6 years ago

The preference for a particular hair texture and curl pattern started way, way, way before typing of hair. The typing of hair just gives you a label to associate with the hair type and helps market products at a extremely marked up price.

Aly
Aly
6 years ago
Reply to  jojo

This is exactly what I was going to say. It was nothing to do with the creation of the system, the preferences and biases go beyond that. Having the hair typing system definitely helped me when I first went natural in terms of regimen and products and different styles to try…heck I still find it useful! It’s just a tool, people who are going to discriminate are going to do so regardless of whether the different textures have names.

Keisha
Keisha
6 years ago

I think that it’s people, not hair typing that has caused texture discrimination in the natural hair community. I have always heard the terms good hair, nice hair, soft hair, mixed when people refer to type 3 hair and negative remarks related to type 4b or c hair; waaaay before hair typing came about. The hair typing system helped me with a reference point when I was learning how to take care of and style my natural hair. Without the actual numbers/letters I would still have looked for people with similar hair to mine but it would have been more… Read more »

Laurivit
Laurivit
6 years ago

Hi I have been natural for 6 months now and I would like to know what hair type I am. Thank you and blessings.:-)
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Crystal
Crystal
6 years ago
Reply to  Laurivit

I’d say 4b with a little 4a in there.

karencurly
karencurly
6 years ago
Reply to  Laurivit

You have beautiful natural hair.…the type DOES NOT MATTER!!

A
A
6 years ago
Reply to  Laurivit

POROSITY IS MORE IMPORTANT.
Just saying it really is more important that a hair type.
We give 3s too much praise and label it “good hair”
We need to love our 4s

Chel
Chel
6 years ago

I think texture discrimination happens a lot with ads and which natural haired models are chosen to represent the face of a company because they use a lot of looser curled women. But I think its BS to use things like YouTube views counts, likes, and shares as evidence of discrimination. Because you need to take EVERYTHING into account when validating viewership, not just hair. People are automatically drawn to length, unique styles, unique advice, vibrant personalities, and no lie I noticed a lot of naturals who discussed other things other than just hair (like makeup), or wore very cute… Read more »

Veronica
Veronica
6 years ago
Reply to  Chel

I agree! There’s a YT vlogger that has almost “classic length” (longer than tailbone length) natural hair — ballerina1. Her hair type looks to be a 3c. Her views average in the hundreds and low thousands. I like her videos and her simple regimens. Her hair is striking, but the quality of her videos are not great, they are grainy and not well lit. She doesn’t really wear any make-up. If she does; it’s very little. Also she seems to be shy; she’s soft spoken — kind of like a “hippie.” Conversely, there’s another YT vlogger, Char Jay, I think… Read more »

Daye C.
Daye C.
6 years ago

Hair typing isn’t harming us and the descrimination has been happening WAAAAAY before the hair typing system even began. I’m 3c 4a ish I guess and I don’t really care if people chose to represent looser curl patterns. When it comes to the media, things that are aesthetically pleasing to the eye will always be represented first. Now, that isn’t to say everyone’s hair isn’t beautiful at all but just because the young lady on the left has more views doesn’t validate anything. Her hair is beautiful and so is the young lady on the right. Comparing only creates a… Read more »

Como?
Como?
6 years ago
Reply to  Daye C.

I think you’re missing the fact that our aesthetic preferences are socially-constructed. The same logic you’ve invoked has been used to explain away the absence of people of color generally in the media.

whylie2010
6 years ago

Hair typing does not hurt the natural hair community. It is a guide to caring for your hair type (and is not exclusive to Black hair styling btw). The mentality of people — be they natural or not — is what “helps” or “hurts” the natural hair community. At the end of the day, how some styles look on various hair types does not make one better or more or less beautiful than the other. Products that work for one hair type will not work for another. It’s just like certain haircuts fit certain face shapes. Does that mean one… Read more »

tasha
tasha
6 years ago

This is nothing new in the black community, it’s the same old “good hair vs bad hair” mentality, perhaps the media is to blame, i’m not sure, but i think it’s time for black women to embrace our beauty, own it and stop looking for validation from everyone else.

whylie2010
6 years ago
Reply to  tasha

My sentiments exactly

Thick Nigerian Hair
Thick Nigerian Hair
6 years ago

I really don’t understand why people are trying to do away with hair typing. Hair typing is what helped me to realize that I will NEVER have Tarenguy’s curls on my 4c hair no matter how many different type of gels or brushes or shingling methods I try. Do I need hair typing as much now that I am years into caring for my natural hair? No. I needed it to guide my understanding of what my hair could/could not do and why. I need it now to have realistic expectations of styling outcomes. It was never a matter of… Read more »

wow
wow
6 years ago

the thing that bothers me about this post is that your hairstyle wasn’t a hairstyle but someone else’s (taren’s) hair texture. that my dear is a problem.

Thick Nigerian Hair
Thick Nigerian Hair
6 years ago
Reply to  wow

I keep reading to figure out where you came to that conclusion and I’m stumped. The only problem is the one you concocted. I am at peace with all of my kinks. 1. Taren got the particular style that I was of interest in by using the Huetiful hair steamer. So, technically that would be a style since her hair doesn’t do that normally. Hence the reason she raved about the steamer. 2. Before I discovered hair typing, I thought my hair could do whatever I wanted it to. If I didn’t achieve it, then I was using the wrong products… Read more »

Pam
Pam
6 years ago

I have no idea where the hair typing system came from and frankly, I would like to know. I’m not sure what purpose it serves other than a purely scientific one that hair product companies could use to classify their products. I think that since the natural hair look has taken off over the last few years that we’re in the beginning stages of building a body of knowledge about our hair: how to style it, take care of it, what products are available, etc. I would certainly hope that there is not some kind of ‘division’ within the hair… Read more »

Thick Nigerian Hair
Thick Nigerian Hair
6 years ago
Reply to  Pam

I believe Oprah’s hair stylist came up with the system.

ali
ali
5 years ago
Reply to  Pam

It came from oprah stylist you himself stated that 4 types should relax their hair. I don’t even understand why we follow a system that clearly suggests relaxing as a better option and also putting kinky hair at the bottom.

Crystal
Crystal
6 years ago

I am very disappointed with a lot of these comments. Some of you make it seem like type 3 girls should apologize and feel bad about having type 3 hair. I have a young cousin who is fully black and has type 2 hair! I damn well don’t want anyone to make her feel like she has to apologize for having slightly wavy hair. A lot of us were born with type 3 hair, whether we’re mixed or not. I’m not mixed, both of my parents are black and I have type 3b/3c hair. I’m not light skinned either. I… Read more »

ok
ok
6 years ago
Reply to  Crystal

I shouldn’t have to feel bad for what God blessed me with”. Cringe. You totally missed the point.

Crystal
Crystal
6 years ago
Reply to  ok

I didn’t miss the point, I got what the article was saying. My comment was in reference to some of the mean, negative comments that a few people left about type 3 hair, type 3 girls and the comments about stereotype. And yes, I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO FEEL BAD FOR WHAT GOD BLESSED ME WITH. WHATEVER GOD DOES IS WELL DONE! You obviously didn’t realize what my comment was in reference to so have a seat.

Dee
Dee
6 years ago

I would have to say that is has gotten better, but we have a long way to go. This natural movement is really 4 b and c chicks ditching the creamy crack. once more of us come out and embrace our own hair and stop wishing we were curly the more this good hair crap will fade away.

Sarah
Sarah
6 years ago

The hair typing system didn’t cause any of this. This started a long time ago, it was called ‘good hair/soft hair/nice hair’ vs ‘rough/coarse/bad hair’. You type 4’s are always complaining about something. The 4a’s don’t complain as much as the 4b’s and 4c’s. I think type 4 girls don’t like the type chart because they are just that, type 4 and there’s a lot of stigma attached to type 4 or kinky/coily hair if you will. Type 3 girls face discrimination too but they don’t complain as much, they keep it moving. I’m not trying to minimize the type… Read more »

Brit brit
Brit brit
6 years ago

I’m tired of hearing type 4 girls complain and a lot of you take your frustration out on type 3 hair. There’s always some article comparing the two types, write articles about companies showing ads with type 2 and 3 hair. Call those companies out by name and maybe things will really start moving instead of debating about hair types all day. Thank goodness for my type 3 hair, I love it up all day, everyday.

wow
wow
6 years ago
Reply to  Brit brit

as someone with type 3 hair…your post reeks of selfishness. it is so odd to me that blk ppl allow the majority to suffer in the name of appeasing the minority. when kinky hair/ dark skin/ afro featured ppl complain of their treatment someone like you always comes with your “be quiet complaining. we need to have unity. blah blah. blah” yet when you’re benefiting from racism we hear none of that unity crap. all of a sudden you think you earned that sh*t. you did absolutely nothing to earn your type 3 hair, and feeling any sort of appreciation… Read more »

Brit Brith
Brit Brith
6 years ago
Reply to  wow

Stop stereotyping. Not all dark skinned girls has kinky/afro hair. I know a lot of dark skinned and when I say dark I mean DARK with type 3a hair. You can be orange with type 4 hair or purple with type 2 hair. Skin color doesn’t matter or has crap to do with hair that grows out of everyone’s scalp. I’ve seen a 100% caucasian girl (her parents and grandparents were white) with kinky-coily hair. Her hair looked to be 4a/4b and both of her parents had stick straight hair, she looked exactly like her Dad and had really pale… Read more »

Brit Brith
Brit Brith
6 years ago
Reply to  Brit Brith

By the way, @wow. How does one earn type 3 hair? Wth is up with that? Stop putting type 3 hair on a pedestal. ALL hair types are equal and beautiful.

Princess4
Princess4
6 years ago

There’s a new natural hair vlogger on youtube. She just signed up and her first video has 30,000 views and it’s only been out for 3 weeks. She JUST signed up and already has a few thousand subscribbers. She looks to be mixed with black and chinese or japanese but I’m definitely NOT sure. Only she knows what all she’s mixed with. She’s gorgeous, light skinned and has type 3 hair, no wonder she got so many views in just a few weeks. I’m not trying to stereotype but if it looks like a duck.…. I noticed on her channel… Read more »

Princess4
Princess4
6 years ago
Reply to  Princess4

By the way, did I mention she only has 1 VIDEO UP.

karencurly
karencurly
6 years ago
Reply to  Princess4

You have beautiful natural hair.…the type DOES NOT MATTER!!

cacey
cacey
6 years ago
Reply to  Princess4

i looked her up just now. you’re right. that’s pretty darn fast and for one video. now it’s well done. i’ll give her that. but apparently sista girl was a model and a dancer so i’m willing to bet that her popularity preceded her youtube views, so when she announced on her instagram, and all that that she had a new video, i think people flocked to it because they were already following her on her other social media platforms. that’s just my guess.

Carleee
Carleee
6 years ago
Reply to  Princess4

Wow you are so right. It is very bizarre how that works. It’s not really texture discrimination as much as racial discrimination at this point. The more white you look, the better. Notice that her hair is dyed blonde.…

ohsnap
6 years ago

Oh, my god this topic already, Geez! Sometimes I wish this hair typing thing was never invented. Here’s a tip: Stop looking for validation from the number of clicks, likes on social media platforms or from the media in general. Who made the rule that we need the media and the rest of society to validate our worth? Puleeze! From my experience knowing your porosity is way more helpful than hair typing and it’s a lot harder to find bloggers/vloggers that speak to porosity. I’m looking at this stuff like “Great, you have 4c hair like me and your hair… Read more »

Chandra
6 years ago

The hair typing was a bit helpful to me in the beginning of my journey, but once I figured out my hair and what I was doing I rarely identified with the system unless someone asked me. It only covers the diameter/size of curl, That’s it? There are many other important aspects to our natural hair that should be considered when looking for help with styles and products. As for the division, unfortunately, it seems African Americans always find a way to divide themselves. I have noticed this with many things that are not hair related? And as for texture… Read more »

Dananana
Dananana
6 years ago
Reply to  Chandra

I agreed with everything you’re saying…until the very end. It isn’t just Black people who foster divisions and hierarchies. It’s human nature–hierarchies and labeling are intrinsic, unfortunately.

Chandra
6 years ago
Reply to  Dananana

Yes I agree with that totally! And wanted to mention that as well, but figured I had said enough already. : ) But yep you are right.

GorgeousMe
GorgeousMe
6 years ago

After going through a million and one youtube videos about hair texture/type discrimination and why some girls are tired of sick of the natural hair community I noticed something. Most of the girls complaining were girls with kinky, coily hair. I found a few vids with girls with curly hair complaining but less than 7. The majority of the girls complaining had gorgeous kinky hair. Just putting it out there.… If you’re smart enough you’ll pick up on what I’m hinting at lol.

ME
ME
6 years ago

This is the backlash you get when you try to make a community out of hair. Enjoy your own hair. Nobody else need apply.

GuestyGuest
GuestyGuest
6 years ago

Many people will view/ like/ follow/ comment etc on the videos/ regimens they identify with most. Some will do the same thing with the videos/ regimens they’d like to identify with but don’t. It’s always been like this… WAY before the system came into play. But this is OUR natural hair and it’s a damn shame that we’ve allowed people (from the media to family/friends) to dictate to us what is ‘good’ hair and what isn’t. If you’re embarking on this natural journey then stop with the ‘discrimination’/hating/watching and embrace what God gave you; learn to love your coils/ kinks/ curls for what they are.… Read more »

Michelle
Michelle
6 years ago

I think you may have to factor in stretched out length & hair color…

wow
wow
6 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

but the length part is part of texture discrimination. their hair might very well be the same length. 10 inches of 4c hair will not look like 10 inches of 2b hair.

as for the color…i’ve met a grand 2 black women with naturally blond hair in my life. so if you’re saying “no, it isn’t texture discrimination it is just one has longer, blond hair and the other has short, black hair” then i’m going to have to point out that only strengthens the racial aspect of the discrimination people claim exists

uniqueheir
uniqueheir
6 years ago

When I first heard about the hair typing system I thought it took out the racial element of describing hair as growing up a black African girl my hair was described jus as that black, african hair, afro hair, it never took into account that non mixed black africans can hav variations to our curl pattern and strands and hence limitin what I believed my hair with variations. my hair is unique to me not necessarily to my ethnic background.

NubianPrize
NubianPrize
6 years ago

Hair discrimination is part of our history.When I was a kid, there was good hair/bad hair/light skin /dark skin issues,but back in the late 60s & 70s when I first went natural, there were few products & no hair typing at all. In fact the girls who had loose curls were trying to get theirs to kink up to get that Afro Sheen look. People with severe shrinkage would get blowout kits( really just a weak perm ) to get that big round afro. I’m a type 4 soft fine haired natural but all I had to do was braid… Read more »

Tabatha
Tabatha
6 years ago
Reply to  NubianPrize

I would like to experience that whenit comes to hair community in general. Jessie’s Curl is also a good brand for all curl patterns. I really like their stuff. I have to give the maker props.

whylie2010
6 years ago
Reply to  NubianPrize

” In fact the girls who had loose curls were trying to get theirs to kink up to get that Afro Sheen look.”
My mom said she had the same issue (although, she doesn’t have loose curls at all). Everybody wanted Type 4 because, in her words, “My afro would just flop.” She would use sponge rollers and fluff it out to get a decent afro effect.

Nina
Nina
6 years ago

Before I went natural as well, I had never heard of the hair typing system. The bottom line is that even if someone has the same texture or “type” as your hair, the products that they use may not work for you. I believe the hair typing system perhaps could have been seen as helpful when it was introduced, but now it is just another way for the black community to divide. #Yellowbone vs. #Darkskin, #kinkyhair vs. #curlyhair, #naturalhair vs. #straighthair. It’s all a bunch of never ending excuses to make useless divisions in my mind.

Kori
Kori
6 years ago

I think people should relax about the hair-typing system. I believe it only causes harm if you allow it. The system simple describes curl patterns and textures. Whether or not you ascribe to it is a personal preference. It is not the hair typing system that causes the issue because people’s hair is going to look, feel, and behave differently regardless. It varies, so what! I think is actually very helpful even it if does not paint the whole picture. Green Beauty Channel on YouTube is a great resource for true hair categorizing and how it helps you to care… Read more »

Tisha
Tisha
6 years ago

The hair typing system is incomplete in my opinion. If it was a 4b could watch another 4b’s tutorial and be able to duplicate the results. But that rarely happens. Green Beauty Channel came up with a 5 category system that covers all elements of hair: 1. Curl pattern 2. Texture (shrinkage) 3. Hair density 4. Thickness 5. Porosity. These 4 other elements of hair type explain the repeated failures of simply picking someone with the same number 4 and letter c and expecting the same results that they enjoy. So this quick and it has it’s moments typing system… Read more »

Tabatha
Tabatha
6 years ago

I agree hair typing once I figured out my hair type (Thanks Ms. Felicia Leatherwood), I was able to search for things that were compatible for my hair. SO that was helpful, but its hurt full because as I was searching through the forums and even YouTube ( when I was starting my transitioning journey). All I saw was the Kinky Curlies getting made at the curly and wavies and visa-versa. Especially over kinky curlies going to the curlie wavies channels instead of theirs etc. we’ve all seen it and read it. The hair typing split us in a bad… Read more »

wow
wow
6 years ago

this is why i’m so over the natural hair movement. it truly was a fad and not based in acceptance of self. many went natural just to see if they had type 3 hair. the type 4s who stay natural obsess with curl definition and curl stretching styles.

just get a friggin texturizer and stop wasting $$$ looking for that oh so special product that will make your indie arie kinks turn to mya curls.

Hillary
Hillary
6 years ago
Reply to  wow

So true!

t
t
6 years ago
Reply to  wow

So what’s that saying about girls who wear weaves and get relaxers? U get a relaxer to stretch your hair so that it appears longer and you wear a weave so that your hair appears longer but you’re bashings type 4 hair for stretching their natural hair so it appears longer.…lol sounds to me ure self hating, and u were the one who went natural to see if u had type 3 curls and I guess you didn’t so you resorted back to relaxers because you didn’t feel beautiful with the hair God gave you. I don’t blame you I… Read more »

Ame
Ame
6 years ago
Reply to  wow

This comment deserves more upvotes

koiya
koiya
6 years ago

Friends who are “concious” naturals still got no clue about thesystem. On this sight i noticed that type 4b,bc and c get a lot more hype than loose haired style icons.
Besides, sans the system hair would be a helluva lot more confusin. Alotta naturals call their hair “thick” . Imagine researchin your “thick” hair

shaileen
shaileen
6 years ago

I think hair typin and loose patterns are overrated. I dont get what the fuss is all about. I dont stretch my hair and let it shrink its heart away

iluvnappyedges
iluvnappyedges
6 years ago
Reply to  shaileen

shrink its heart away” very rare…personally I love shrinkage and I’m 4d…today type 4 hate their shrinkage…so sad

EmbracingMe
EmbracingMe
6 years ago

I don’t hate my shrinkage, it’s just a little difficult to deal with. For instances, it takes me 30 minutes for me to braid one braid. However, if blow dry my hair first it’s a lot easier to braid!!!!!

Besie
Besie
6 years ago

Hair typing was unknown to me prior to my natural journey. I’ve actually been perm free for 14 years but it’s only been a year since incorporating natural healthy hair practices and products. I liked the typing chart because it helped me figure out what products were most beneficial. I hate that people use it differentiate good/bad. That’s stupid and goes against what it means to be natural. We are suppose to embrace what God gave us and love the beauty of it. European standards of beauty are ingrained in the psyche of what it seems is most people. I’m… Read more »

Dee
Dee
6 years ago

I think people are more obsessed with length more than anything.

Kashmere
Kashmere
6 years ago

I say this a lot, but it’s not the hair typing system that causes discrimination, all it does is describe a type of hair. It’s not saying one hair type will acheive “prettier” results than another, that’s what people are saying.. It’s people that discriminate, not a chart. Eliminating it wouldn’t stop people from discriminating, would it. People would still favour one texture over another, because regardless of the presence of a label like 3b or 4c, different texture is always going to exist.

Laurina | BrightlyBlack.com

Yes! OMG I thought I was the only one that had noticed. I really canNOT wait for this “good hair/bad hair” mentality to melt away. There is division within the “natural hair community” and it needs to stop!

Claudette UK
Claudette UK
5 years ago

I don’t worry about the typing system it is just a way of grouping hair types. I would love to see the good hair/ bad hair mentality melt away. I don’t watch type 3 hair vloggers because they don’t have my hair, I love looking at type 4s because to me that is our hair. Simple as.

The Darling Kinkshamer
The Darling Kinkshamer
5 years ago
Reply to  Claudette UK

Yesss!

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