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Is 4C a Hair Type or Dry 4B Hair?

• Jun 3, 2013

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By Chinwe of Hair and Health

When Andre Walker’s hair typing system was introduced, there was no mention of a 4C hair type. 4A was described as tightly coiled with a more defined curly pattern while 4B was described as tightly coiled with a “z” shaped, less defined curly pattern.

Is 4C a hair type?

Fast forward to today. With the growth of the natural hair community, new hair typing systems have been created, and at least one includes a 4C type. NaturallyCurly.com builds upon Andre Walker’s system to describe 4C hair as:

composed of curl patterns that will almost never clump without doing a specific hair style.  4c hair has been described as a more “challenging” version of 4b hair. Some say 4c looks identical to 4b except that the curls are so tightly kinked, there is seemingly no definition. 4c hair can shrink more than 75%.”

… Or is 4C hair just 4B hair that is dry?

Not too long ago, I watched a video in which a natural-haired woman – who initially appeared to be 4A/4B – described her hair as 4C.  Some of the viewers disputed her claim leading her to create a second video showing her hair in its shrunken, un-moisturized, un-conditioned state.  Low and behold, many of the viewers were now stating that she was 4C or a mix of 4B and 4C.  Amidst the audience were a group of viewers suggesting that 4C is actually 4B hair that has not experienced optimal hair care, especially when it comes to moisture.  This woman, to them, was an example of how a great hair care regimen and adequate moisture can transform what appears to be “4C” hair into 4B.

What say you?

So I pose the question to you, BGLH readers.  What is 4C hair?  With the right hair care regimen can naturals who claim to be 4C actually be 4B? Or is 4C truly a hair type of its own?

What is your definition of 4C hair?

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coffeeandfingernails
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Can’t say I’m an expert but since I first went natural 3 years ago, as I’ve developed better habits and discovered better products my texture has changed dramatically. More definition, less shrinkage–definitely a big enough difference to qualify as a different “type” of hair all together.

Also, when I first saw the video from Naptural85 you guys posted a few days ago, I thought, cute but my hair is tighter/less manageable than hers. Then I saw she describes herself as 4a/4b, same as me–so clearly still have a ways to go regimen-wise.

stephanieb
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I hear ya, I feel the same way, I’m a 4a/b/c and I see others with the same hair types and their hair is so thick, long, healthy, and moisturized. I know that I do have a ways to go though, since I did the big chop several weeks ago, but I can say that I have seen some improvement in my hair.

Caramelcurls
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coffeeandfingernails: You can “step up” your regimen, and by all the products in the world, but at the end of the day, that doesn’t mean that your hair is going to look like Naptural 85’s. Just because she describes her hair as 4a/b and you can describe yours the same, doesn’t meant that your texture is going to mimic hers. Food for thought…

coffeeandfingernails
Guest

Fair point–and I really have no complaints with my hair as it is now. But seeing how dramatic the difference has been as I’ve taken better care of my hair makes me think I might be able to get a wider range of looks with even better habits.

Amber
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Also keep in mind that the longer our hair gets, the looser our texture can appear. My hair texture feels different now than it did a year ago and I’m since Naptural85 has pretty long hair now, hers has loosened from the weight as well.

Jesse
Guest

Absolutely. If one looks at Whitney’s (Napturl85) old videos, you can see her short hair had very tight coils. Her long hair still has tight coils, but the added weight and the different stretched styles makes her hair look elongated.

Vee
Guest
I was going to add that! My friend has a similar hair texture to mine, which are both 4c hair, hers is longer than mine, and most people would say that she has 4a hair because of her length. It’s past her back almost waist length. Her coils are much looser, and she always wears her hair in braids, so her braid out looks like a wavy slightly coily braid out. Mine is only to my nose, so still really coily, but I have noticed that my twist and braid outs are more wavy and coil up more the longer… Read more »
Ak
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Could you please let me know what vid this is? I’d like to see what her moisturizing routine is.

neochasez
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I’m going to take a stab at this at the risk of being controversial. Some people find hair typing beneficial, some do not. In regards to the classification of 4C hair, it — along with 3C hair — was never mentioned in Andre Walker’s book. Now I know he’s not end-all, be-all hair stylist, but perhaps is there is something to be said that it wasn’t included. Nevertheless, my hair looks and functions differently according to the moisture level of my hair. I went natural before Mr. Walker unveiled his classification, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t helpful in figuring… Read more »
Kate
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I definitely think the hair typing system is an area where people should tread carefully. To be fair, I’d probably classify myself as a 4C, and I do believe it is a hair type of it’s own, but I don’t think this should be an issue of debate. No two heads of hair are the same! If someone feels that they need to classify their hair in order to look after it, then good for them, and so be it. Hair typing seems to be divisive, and while it does enable people to search for hair care methods suited to… Read more »
Natasha
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I never thought of it in this way before. I am very confused about my hair type. I could’ve sworn I was 4z before but then, I looked at some 4b girls, and said, “yes, that’s me!” then I saw some 4c girls and said the same thing! I think, because my hair isn’t very shiny, it can sometimes look like it’s 4c. So long story short, I haven’t got a clue what my hair type is but I think it’s 4c with a hint of 4b.

NenoNaturalDotCom
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I find this post a little rude.

I have 4C hair and it’s not dry! I am also beginning to realise that even within 4C there different type of hair.

One characteristic I have found with 4C hair is that it behaves differently to 4A and 4B hair when it is wet, twisted or plaited so it must be different. I have 4A hair at the very back so I should know!
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A.J.
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@ neochasez how does knowing your porosity help you? I think I have low poro hair. I have to use the l.o.c method for my hair to be moistured. Anything else doesn’t work. That’s the only way know my porosity helps me. Please share

neochasez
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For starters, it took trial and error and research on the ins and outs of hair porosity to realize that I can’t simply follow a regimen catered to a specific hair category (i.e. 4A, etc.). I highly suggest reading “The Science of Black Hair” to get more information on topics such as water (hard vs. soft and hot vs. cold). I had tried to use apple cider vinegar (with water as a rinse) on hair that had been rinsed with cold water to no avail…my hair needs a warm rinse to keep the cuticles open when I still apply my… Read more »
amy
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What chelating shampoo do you use? Baking soda isnt enough? I know some people use it for clarifying purposes.

Could you also detail your routine/regimen/products? Please

A.J.
Guest

thanks for your input neochasez

My4CHair
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4C hair is real! Part of my hair curls a lot when wet and other parts have completely NO curl pattern what so ever. 4C hair in itself varies and is unique!

Carmelicious
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4C hair, in my opinion, is not the only hair that varies. All hair types vary which is why hair typing is sort of silly. There are many people who have different textures all at once on one head of hair!!!!!!! It is not an exact science so just remember that.

silkynaps
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I read a comment the other day that stated 4c hair was the most coarse type of hair. I thought, by now, we’d seen enough YouTube videos to learn to stop generalizing afro hair. Based on the chart, my pattern is predominately 4c coils. Tight, little coils. I wear a puff everyday, but there is not a single curl pattern that my hair can’t mimic without styling. As a matter of fact, I learned to puff my hair using the technique of a 3c curly. As it turns out, we have the similar density and texture. My curls are just… Read more »
Vee
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Exactly! I believe that there four elements to your “hair type” texture i.e. coils, curls, waves etc., density, porosity, and texture 2, fineness or thickness of individual strands. All of these combined will help to take care of your hair. Since someone can have the exact density, texture1, density, but you have fine hair, and she has medium thick hair. So how you take care will be different than hers because of the strand thickness.

LBell
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Seriously, guys? It wasn’t that long ago that people were saying 4b hair was unmoisturized 4a hair… I’ve been participating in online hair discussions since before “3c” was a thing so I’ve witnessed the evolution of both “3c” and “4c” as hair classifications. They were created precisely because the Andre typing system was so limited. Keep in mind that that system was pseudoscience to START WITH. The system that’s commonly used online now, as limiting as it is, really shouldn’t have Andre’s name associated with it without the words “inspired by” and/or “improved upon.” It’s due to our experiences and… Read more »
Jo Somebody
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I agree with all of this! It’s funny because I’ve seen a few people claim their hair pattern changed when they learned to look after it properly, but that change always seems to go from 4c to 4b, or 4b to 4a. Is there a reason why looking after hair never appears to make the hair go ‘up’ in numbers and letters? And if not, why not? And what are you therefore saying about the hair at the ‘end’ of the classification? That from 4c, with care, hair can only get ‘better’? Think about it… Here’s my theory for those… Read more »
Emilia
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As I read was reading this article, what you mentioned in the last paragraph was ringing in the back of my head. However, I think it is healthy that these ideologies are being discussed in the open to prevent any subliminal reactions that can do more harm than good.

LaNeshe
Guest

I think there is definitely a difference. I consider my hair to be 4b but I have friends who are 4c. Their hair even when moisturized or soft does not have an innate curl pattern unless coaxed with gel.

Nicole
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I know I am not responding to the question asked above and quite frankly I just don’t know. I however wanted to make a comment on my natural hair. I personally cannot categorize my hair as a 4 anything. My hair In my opinion, in the state that it grows out of my head starts out as a 1. My hair starts out curly kinky straight. How can I then categorize how my hair grows naturally then as a 4 anything? A 4 or something farther from that is what my hair would become in an unnatural state. For example,… Read more »
Carmelicious
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I am not an expert either but I do believe that the more you hydrate and moisturize the hair, 4C would eventually be 4A. Using the “right” products can also turn 4C hair into 4B or even 3C! For instance, if you have to detangle your hair for a long period of time after you wash, you are using the wrong shampoo. If your conditioner does not give you “slip” (smooth detangled hair), you are using the wrong conditioner. You MUST use products for black hair, or products that are made for you. Forget the Suave or Mane and Tail,… Read more »
cacey
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please don’t tell ppl not to use mane n tail and suave. i swear by suave pro sleek as well as mane n tail conditioner, as those are the ONLY products i’ve ever used that have made my coarse crown hair smooth as butter, completely dissolving tangles. no supposedly expensive “natural” brand of product has accomplished for me what those bad-ingredients-ladled condishes have.

Vee
Guest
All Hair should be moisturized, and drinking (preferably) water, if not it, then liquids will keep you hair hydrated. I can say that if your hair has a natural curl pattern it will ALWAYS have a natural curl pattern as it grows out. If your hair DOES NOT have a curl pattern, no matter what you do no matter how many products you layer on, no matter how much you pray and techniques you use, you WILL NOT have curls if your hair does not come with curls in the first place. No matter how much you moisturize, 4c hair… Read more »
Mocha Dier
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i see ur point, but once u wash ur hair out and no products are in it, it will revert to its original state…

Carlyfanjaxfan
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I don’t know about all that. Lol I’m 4b with a sprinkling of 4a and when I was chasing curls, I’d do something I called the “curl exposing technique” every other day-30 minutes of pre pooing with mini baggies all over my head, another 30 minutes with mini baggies of a dc concoction, then finally the final 30 minutes with mini baggies of my conditioner. *sigh* And, I will be darned my 4b hair did turn to 4a *without* any product in it BUT when I stopped the technique it was right back to 4b hair! **Long story-short, I gave… Read more »
au napptural
Guest

I think that’s true for some people, but I have a friend with a beautiful fro. I always thought she was combing out the definition, but as it grows I see there are no curls to define! It’s like straight hair almost, only it grows up. On the other hand, I’m a 4b. My hair can look like it has no curls, but only when it is over-stretched or intensely dry. When moisturized it’s ultra-curly/coily.

Caramelcurls
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Does it really matter? There will forever be an endless debate about what exactly is 4a/b/c hair, and in all reality it doesn’t matter. Even if you can identify a group of women as 4b or 4c, no two heads of hair will be the exact same. There may be similarities, but that’s it. Hair texture has SO much more to do with curl diameter/size; density, thickness, and so many more factors come into play. The bottom line is finding the right products for YOUR head of hair to keep it healthy and moisturized, and most importantly embracing the hair… Read more »
Jessica
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I totally agree CaramelCurls.…actual curl pattern has nothing to do with your hair texture and even less to do with how to care for your hair. THe only time that it is relevant is if you are concerned curl definition…for some it is a matter of just wettng and moisturizing, others stick with braid outs and twist outs…this letter/ number system is really only helpful when to styling

Jas
Guest

No. I definitely have 4c hair. It never clumps together even while wet. And I would say that I take care of my hair.

Lexibugg
Guest

Sorry jas, love that was notmeant as a reply to you my ipad is janky, lol

Lexibugg
Guest
I can only speak of my own experience, but what i considered my hair type to behas changed over the course of my natural hair “journey”!!! Even while relaxed my hair was dense, tightly coiled and i could visibly see it began to shink once it became anything less than soaking wet. There was no clumping and it behaved and appeared as if each strand or two was its own individual curl they were also about the size of a spring inside of a pen. My hair was stiff, felt wiry and fro’ed with ease.Based on those characteristic i assumed… Read more »
sam
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I believe that 4C is an actual hair type. I am a new natural. However, I have curls ranging from 3C to 4C. I have a pretty good hair regimen, and judging off of my experiences w/ freshly washed and conditioned hair, there are front sections of my hair that fit the description of 4C. while the rest of my hair will be all curled and clumped up, the front of my hair, even when soaking wet, won’t clump up nor show any type of curl pattern

Jessica
Guest

I am the same way, Sam- Most of my hair has a very defined curl pattern, however the sides of my head and a random patch on top of my head ranges from straight to wavy…the section on the top of my head also has the lowest porosity, however even though I baby it and try to infuse it with as much moisture as possible, I STILL cannot get it to curl the way the rest of my hair does

bri
Guest
Guys, we have what I call “chameleon hair” as in it can pretty much look like any and every type under the sun! My hair, for example, when styled in a wash n go looks like its firmly in the 3’s. Right after I wash it? It looks like a straight type 4 haha~ So why worry about if 4c is actually another hair type but w/o moisture? Depending on where you are in your hair journey, your regimen and your UNIQUE hair and body properties(health,scalp condition, nutritional deficiencies,moisture levels internally,etc), your hair could be any type, but look like… Read more »
Vonnie
Guest

As I’ve gone along further on my natural journey I have moved away from using the typing system, but I am absolutely, positively 4c. It is a real texture. When moisturized and properly tended to, my hair feels like cashmere, but I let go of the defined curl dream and sheeny shine a LONG time ago. Which is fine. Our hair is justbeautiful and luxurious so yeah I would like to see the while debate end a well..

cb
Guest

my hair type is 12h with a bit of 7b at the crown and 14q at the nape..lol seriously type 4bc hair has the most discussions all across the boards…why is that? type 4bc all the way!

AB
Guest

I am too weak at those numbers lol

D.P.
Guest
If you say 4c everyone is going to know what you mean and I don’t think anyone is going to be secretly thinking, “Girlfriend just has some dry 4b hair”. Hair typing is nothing technical. There is no science behind it. It’s not recognized by scientists as something of substantial importance. If you look up the definition of 4c this is what it says, “4C or IV-C may refer to : * 4C Array, a cylindrical paraboloid radio telescope at the Mullard Radio Astronomy Observatory” whatever that means. This is a hair community thing and something that is being created… Read more »
cb
Guest

D.P. the natural hair community will never let up on type 4BC hair…because THE TEXTURE is…unique. The shrinkage to the ear one day, stretched to the BSL the following week; because of this uniqueness, will always have never-ending discussions, 1000 comments will always be.

D.P. to cb
Guest

I agree with you whole heartedly. Which is why everyone should just let people type their hair how they want to. We are an online community. Unless you’ve examined, touched, played with, washed and dried that persons hair for a week straight you have no reason to tell them what their hair type is. You can have extra moisturized hair, you can have extra dry hair, 3 inches of hair, 4 feet of hair, hair that is stretched, shrunk, whatever. If you believe it’s 4C then it’s 4C. No product is going to change that.

cb
Guest

the natural hair community will NEVER let 4bc hair be…even down to the ankles, lol

hmm
Guest

Really though? This is kinda insulting, almost to say “hey maybe you’re not moisturizing your 4c hair enough? FIX that”. Smh. As a person with at least 4 different hair textures and even more when density and porosity is thrown in the mix, there’s a HUGE difference every few inches across my head. A leave in and oil will not change the structure of my hair strands.

Also, what’s wrong with 4c hair just being 4c hair? Must there be a petty debate every other day on here?

ace
Guest
Yeah totally agree! My friend has 3b/3c hair and all she has to do is a wet twistout and she has the “perfect” wavy natural hairstyle; takes like 20 minutes. Now when I take my mostly 4c hair and have to do a deep olive oil conditioner, blowout and then twistout; takes like almost 2 hours. I get very different reactions. People have said I should have spent a longer time on my hair. Or I didn’t style it right. No I have 4c complicated and difficult to style hair that doesn’t give me great results. I almost went off… Read more »
JuceeBoop
Guest
I had a co-worker tell me that my hair should be way longer than what it is by now…that really pissed me off because how would she even know how long my hair is when I wear my hair in twisted protective styles constantly. She compares my hair with her sister’s who is also natural and I’m sure is somewhere in the 3a-4a range. People who don’t have 4c hair do not understand that it does not reveal its true length unless stretched or straightened. And believe me, no matter how much moisture I infuse in my hair, the texture… Read more »
Mocha Dier
Guest

LOL I got 5A hair without any products. with conditioner it looks like 4A. Im happy for the hair typing chart tho as what D.P says its just in the hair world.… Our hair differs in strand thickness, density and all other variations.… not just curl pattern… most times persons just generalize and say she has 4c hair cuz its very challenging when in truth their curl pattern may be looser. jus saying

Lindsey
Guest

From what I’ve seen, what I would estimate (I say estimate since, as D.P. said, it’s not a science) as ‘4C’ hair definitely has nothing to do with lack of moisture. There’s one natural woman I know: it was like each individual strand was it’s own curl, they didn’t clump into collective curls, no matter how moisturized. That seems to be the biggest differentiation for me: the size of the curl and how much the strands clump together is how I estimate a ‘hair type’.

Ekene
Guest

Exactly. I agree with you. Curl pattern (or as we prefer to say it, hair type) is determined by the size of the curl- and curl definition simply lies in whether strands clump or not.
My minority 4A strands clump so I can easily see the Z in em. The rest of my hair (90%+) is 4C though and each strand coils tightly in a similar bendy Z-fashion, but they don’t clump. Hence, no definition.

I haven’t mastered moisturising but I try. In any case, will I say my 4A strands are more moisturised than the rest of my hair? Nah.

Stace
Guest

Yea I agree that sounds like one of my sisters. Once I plucked at one such curl at the nape of her neck and it unraveled to like 3 inches from a ball… I knowing her all my life was even amazed. I was like this is a next level of hair…

Mary
Guest

This hair-typing business always gives me a headache. -.-’

Michelle
Guest
I’m with you. As soon as I saw the title, I groaned. I cannot stand hair typing. For me, it has always represented another divisive tool in the black hair community. It’s just good hair 2.0. I refuse to type my hair. I don’t see how it serves any purpose. I’m not going to to dispute its usefulness to people who say they use it as an aid in picking hair products, styles etc, but I have managed to learn how to take care of my hair without ever subscribing to any hair typing manual. I used to wish all… Read more »
Ugonna Wosu
Guest

I think hair typing helps you to know how big of a problem tangles will be in your life, whether you can do certain hairstyles or how you can do them. However, when it comes to products, curl pattern has nothing to do with what works for you. Porosity, texture(strand diameter), density, and elasticity are things that are much more relevant to what product works for you. You can use the conditioner as a white woman would under those circumstances.

Deb
Guest

can’t stand it

Lo
Guest
I’ve never really paid much attention to the hair typing system since I think the same basics apply to all the textures (which I seemingly have in my head): keep moisturised, seal, trim and don’t snag/rip. Outside of that, the particulars all seem based on too many individual factors like density, length, the weather, diet, etc. I’ve wondered whether or not moisture can affect the appearance of curl pattern, because that seems to be the case with MY hair. But that might not be the case with EVERYONE’S hair. When I first started watching Naptural85’s channel I was impressed, but… Read more »
Decor
Guest

Hair can change curl pattern depending on length and products used as well. My hair looked more like 4 when it was shorter. Now the length causes it to look different, less shrinkage. Natural hair is versital and a constant learning process. Enjoy the ride!

Deb
Guest

someone needs to say this once and for all:

IT’S OK IF YOUR HAIR DOES NOT HAVE VISIBLE CURLS! There is NOTHING wrong with your hair and it does not need to be “fixed”. Take care of your hair and enjoy it. IT IS BEAUTIFUL!

Michelle
Guest

Amen!!

ace
Guest
Oh yes there is a big difference between 4b and 4c hair. For example looks at Nikkimae (4b) and Nneka (4c) and you will see the difference. Also the very back of my head is 4B and the rest of my hair is 4C. I can do the same style on these different parts of my head and receive very different results. The curls in the back are always loose and extended. The curls on the rest of my head are frizzy, undefined and clumpy. I mean this website should be proof enough. Look at the styles labeled 4b/4c and… Read more »
Lindi
Guest

There’s a definite difference. Come to Southern Africa and you will see it. I’m almost convinced I’m in category 5. I’ve often thought it’s been left out. I take take meticulous care of my hair so it has nothing to do with neglect or product. It is what it is.

Yas
Guest
Does it matter? Shouldn’t the goal be to instruct women on how to properly moisturize and care for their hair regardless of type. I have the so-called “4A hair”. What does the heck does that mean exactly? Diddly squat. I have tight little springy coils that define well in an afro, but don’t really work in twist out styles. Whoop Whoop. Yet, my hair is still beautiful and it’s growing because I eat the right things most of the time, I keep it moisturized, I bone up on various hair maintenance techniques, I trim it when necessary and I keep… Read more »
Gina
Guest
Don’t be harsh. I didn’t like the idea of hair typing at first, but now I see it as black women discovering their natural hair. Back when I first went natural EVERYBODY else had perms. There was no terminology to discuss natural hair except “nappy”. Now we are all comparing notes and that is awesome! It’s not a negative thing, and it always feels nice to see that one person who knows what the heck you are talking about! So, for the 4a,b,c,d etc.. girls, it’s like finding a long lost sister. It’s is all beautiful and it is all… Read more »
Ms. Amena
Guest
While I know have not gotten my hands in every hair type on the planet I can say two things for sure. There are hair types even kinkier and more coily (like needle sized coils) than the widely recognized 4b and that one will not truly know the optimal behavior and appearance of their hair unless it is well hydrated and cared for. All the numbers and letters (1–4z lol) are good for visual descriptors and best styling practices and have less to do with product choices and care than texture (strand diameter: fine, medium or coarse) and density (thin,… Read more »
momocurlz
Guest

Honestly, I’m a 4z. My hair has a Z pattern to it so I’ll just go with it. Debate me!

Marina Roberts
Guest

I have 4C hair and I have a pretty good regimen. When my hair is stretched its doesn’t look like 4A or 4B hair, it looks like stretched 4C hair. So I don’t agree with the sentiments expressed in this post. My hair can be described as having extremely small coils much like the spring when find in a push point pen but from a distance you would not recognise it.

JENNID
Guest

Until we stop saying that 4b/c hair is the most difficult hair type to deal with these type of conversations will never go way. No 4c hair is not just dry 4b hair. There are different variations among nappy hair. I have seen plenty. Including some off the charts naps as well. The thing is it doesn’t really matter. Its all about your attitude. There is beauty outside of twist outs and braid outs. I dislike hair typing because I think it puts a limit on what one can do with their hair.

Leilani
Guest

I agree placing negativity on 4bc hair, and to be honest, I find 4c to be an “easy” texture to care for. My niecy-poo (10) has 4c hair all around and doing her hair is tons easier than doing mine. I have a mix of 4’s (abc), mainly 4b, but my 4c sections are always the least “tangly” and the easiest to comb thru. That’s just my experience though.

Nicole
Guest

but it IS difficult to deal with!

Deb
Guest

There is beauty outside of twist outs and braid outs.”

PREACH PREACHA!

Karin
Guest

This is what happens when you start creating categories for hair. Now there are going to be some people who are going to debate what type of hair you have. Can hear it now, “I’m 4a/b” then someone else would say “No, you’re not your hair is just dry. Try again you are 4C.” as if it is something negative. Now I guess we will start judging people on their hair type. That is why I don’t like this hair type system, all hair types are good regardless of the type.

Anne
Guest
I LOVE HAIR TYPING…Its Great it has helped me so Much, Hair typing makes me feel Confident..I used to see Black people with these different types of hair and feel why do they have looser hair than mine and why do I moisturize and Moisturize and it still looks dry and not wavy like thier hair even though they are black too. even though thier hair were also Natural??! BECAUSE I DIDN’T KNOW MY HAIR TYPE..USING THE WRONG FLAMIN’ THINGS, THAT MAYBE MIXED RACE PEOPLE OR OTHER BlACK PERSON OF COLOUR with 3C/B/M/N/O/Q/V hair, could get away with..I now feel… Read more »
sherrybaby
Guest

I think there might be something to that theory. I know ever since I’ve upped the moisturizing (86ed the shampooing, daily watering and conditioning) I see a noticeable difference in my hair’s curls/kinks. They clump better and there’s less frizz and more definition. I wonder if frizz is what some might be confusing for having no curl definition?

Jesse
Guest
I think hair typing is useful because without categories how will we know which hair care practices might work for our hair? In a video, photo, or blog, we cannot tell if someone’s hair is remotely similar to ours without some “hair typing system”. That system doesn’t just mean 3c, 4a, 4c. It also includes low porosity, high porosity, thin, fine, dense, thick, coarse, dry, oily etc… I personally found it really helpful to find people with 4c, coarse, and dense hair like mine. That’s how I learned about finger detangling and other techniques that work better for my hair.… Read more »
Mango
Guest

Am I really a dark medium brown skin girl? or am I an actual medium brown girl who does not moisturize, apply astringent/toners and stay out in the sun too long.

Pardon the above sarcasm but this is an absurd & insulting article — as if to be 4C is to be burdened, cursed and inferior.

Afrochelle
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You’d have to use every letter in the alphabet to create a category for every type of textured hair, it’s SO diverse. IMO, 4a, 4b, 4c etc. is unnecessarily specific and ultimately meaningless (can YOU pin down the difference between 4b and 4c? Can anyone?). We should just call type 4 hair Afro-textured (everyone knows what that means), type 3 curly, type 2 wavy, and type 1 straight. That’s it.

BritBrit83
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@Afrochelle never thought of your suggestion and it would make the typing process very simple, but what about the type 3 curly hair that is also Afro-textured?

Ava
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Then maybe we can say Type 4 hair is Coily.

Jenga
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I think the specific typing helps. It definitely helped me figure out why no matter how much I tried, my hairstyles would never come out the same way as 4a/b Youtube hairstyles. I won’t think I have to spend a ton of money to get my hair that way. I can now focus on figuring out what actually works for my type.

The Mane Captain
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It is a fact that many have been able to bring their hair from the stereotyped “hard” hair to soft, pliable and moisturized hair over time. Some people’s curl pattern have even changed in the process. For me, I believe I have 4c hair, which is the reason why I can’t achieve any out style overnight. Unless I leave the style in for at least 2–3days, even this isn’t a guarantee. I don’t see anything wrong with the hair typing system. I think it’s necessary since there are so many different types of hair textures amongst the black community. someone… Read more »
Afriana
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Yes, there is such a type as 4C, as a matter of fact, I would venture to say I have type 5 (FIVE) hair and I moisturize at least twice a day. People who don’t think it exists don’t have it growing out of their heads. I’m a witness everyday that type 4c/5 hair is NOT a unicorn!

NCchick
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I have 4c hair and i keep it moisturized with olive and coconut oils. So I believe that moisturized or un-moisturized doesn’t matter on the type. i have bad shrinkage where when stretched or straightened my hair is at my shoulder, wash it, it is about an inch long.

Neenee
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I have 4c hair. My hair is not “difficult” my hair is not under moisturized. Thank you.

4c girl
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I have 4c hair with 4b in the middle but my hair isn’t dry it is moisturised and it is not that hard to manage

Alexis
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I have 4c hair.. My sister has 4b. Our hair is very different. My hair does have a curl pattern. Each strand looks like a pen spring. Teeny tiny coils and yes they clump too.
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cacey
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this describes my son’s hair. when dry it has no definition whatever. clouds come to mind. but when small sections are wet or oiled the hair clump into very tiny clumps. he doesn’t have any zig zags going on, all distinct little coils. but they’re all tinier than a pen spring. i think he’s a mix of the two but i don’t definitively know the difference bt 4b/c. So i say he’s both, with a hint of 4a around the perimeter.

Diedre viaLife
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You are of course entitled to label your hair as you find most convenient and comfortable. I however, think it’s interesting that you categorise your hair as 4C. The hair typing system is about curl PATTERN mainly and not texture. 4C is characterised for its lack of curl pattern AND kinky texture (but mainly curl pattern cuz that’s what hair typing is all about). I think your curl pattern is 4A but your texture may be more along the afro-kinky. Does that make you 4A or 4C? #foodforthought

Alyssa
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I’d dare to say she has a clumpy 4C texture. It’s just weird to me that clumps or definition make someone automatically a 4a when all other texture groups (1, 2, and 3) are separated by curl size (or lack there of) or curl pattern as you say. Because we know that from 3a to 3c, the curls go from bigger to larger; the amount of clumping is insignificant. However, from 4a-4c, we somehow base it on clumping (curl definition vs size). It’s just inconsistent.

Ivy
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4c is definately a hair type. I say this because I have seen healthy, thriving 4c hair. My grandmother has the softest hair I have ever touch (excluding baby hair). With her simple regimen of washing her hair with natural soap (Kenyan) and protecting it by keeping it in a silk scarf 24/7 (no acceptions) she has managed to maintain soft hair that shows no signs of breakage, dryness, or protein overload. Her hair has absolutely NO curl pattern… every hair does its own thing despite her hair showing every sign of hydration and moisturization.

Saundra
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Absolutely not. 4c and 4b hair is distinctively different. That is a fact. 4b and 4c hair LOOKS and feels different. 4b hair when wet with a curl definer will coil or curl hair. 4c hair will not do the same. Also, 4c hair has a spongy bounce unlike 4b hair is not spongy but springy. I have 4a/4b hair and it is a MAJOR difference. 4b hair when wet can form some curls but dries afro-textured. The hair system is right.

Mzkee
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I would not be surprised if the author if this post isn’t 4b or 4c. I’ m sure if it ! Why? Bc there’s a very distinct diff in 4b and 4c hair. If 4c is dry 4b hair wouldn’t that imply that 4c and 4b hair looks the same dry?! Which they def don’t. And I hate ppl who say they hate the hair typing system. Usually Ppl who don’t have 4b 4c hair. If it weren’t for the hair typing system most would have gave up their journeys for lack of know knowledge and being able to find… Read more »
Soraya
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I have all 3 hair types and both thick and thin strands on my head. I’m not a fan of labels, but if I had to label my hair there’s definitely 4c sections as well as 4b and 4a. I treat all of my hair the same way so I don’t see how this theory would work tbh.

Victoria
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I think defining the hair type and texture have been really helpful to women ‚that way they could identify it and See which products were better fit for their haïr. To me the limit is the lutter. In my opinion, It should not be limited to 4C. But there is as many type of hair as there exist individuals that makes the différence.

Melissa
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the hair typing system is confusing as hell. I thought I was a 4b however when my hair is well moisturized I have curls. They are tinier than the 4a definition but they are distinct curls. I think everything after 4a gets lumped into no definition or the mythical z shape (rarely have I come across it) but there is way more going on.

Alyssa
Guest

Yes, I need a pic of zigzag curls, too! Lol

I find it strange that in the 4 group, the only difference is whether the hair clumps or doesn’t. In all other groups, it based on curl diameter/size. Why don’t they keep it consistent? I’ve seen ppl with teeny tiny clumped coils and others with larger clumped coils… they’re both 4a? *shrug*

I kind of wish A. Walker would fix or update his typing system. I don’t think it’ll get every type, but it could definitely be better.

jl
Guest

I never got into the ab or c of the hair type system. its difficult and your 4a doesn’t look like everyone else’s 4a hair. I simply say I am a type 4 which is kinky hair. so much easier and to the point. I also don’t do the “i’m a 3b in the back and have a patch of 4b in the front and smedge of 2c in the middle. i see this all the time and it clear the person is just one type all around.

Denise
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I don’t know what I am either. When I wash it and add oil it still shrinks to frustration.…yes frustration and when I moisturize it with KNOT TODAY and MISS JESSIE BUTTERCREAM (expensive!!!!) and twist it.…I’m in love. I think I’m 4c. The shrinkage pic is a week after the twist out.
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Derline Dillon
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ur 4b i can see ur hair being cumpt

SecretShopper
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You’re 4b

Aliyah
Guest

I have 4a hair mix with some 3c I would say 4c is really kinky no curl pattern and 4b has a zig zag pattern but still kinky . I describe my hair as coily because that’s what it is .
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Aliyah
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Also that’s my hair in a wash in go just water moisturizer and oil added . I didn’t do a twists out .

Aliyah
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This is my friend Chantilly I would say she has 4c kinky hair .
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